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    NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Informant: NYPD paid me to 'bait' Muslims

    By ADAM GOLDMANand MATT APUZZO | Associated Press – 10/23/2012


    NEW YORK (AP) —A paid informant for the New York Police Department's intelligence unit wasunder orders to "bait" Muslims into saying inflammatory things as helived a double life, snapping pictures inside mosques and collecting the namesof innocent people attending study groups on Islam, he told The AssociatedPress.

    Shamiur Rahman,a 19-year-old American of Bangladeshi descent who has now denounced his work asan informant, said police told him to embrace a strategy called "createand capture." He said it involved creating a conversation about jihad orterrorism, then capturing the response to send to the NYPD. For his work, heearned as much as $1,000 a month and goodwill from the police after a string ofminor marijuana arrests.

    http://news.yahoo.com/informant-nypd...134358506.html
    That's how so said law enforcement force to make living on created "terror case".

    22of The Worst Terrorist Plots were Hatched by the F.B.I.
    30April 2012
    ByDAVID K. SHIPLER, NYTimes

    THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recentyears — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on hisway to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles atmilitary aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea tofly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatchedin Massachusetts.

    But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agentsand informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives,a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played theirparts until they were arrested.

    When an Oregon college student, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, thought of using a carbomb to attack a festive Christmas-tree lighting ceremony in Portland, theF.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of “inert material,”harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to makethe van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving, withMr. Mohamud in the passenger seat. To trigger the bomb the student punched anumber into a cellphone and got no boom, only a bust
    http://just-another-inside-job.blogs...lots-were.html

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Wow. That's pretty crappy of law enforcement. It's one thing to build a legitimate case and do a sting operation, but this is just damn low.
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    Glad we're so vigilant against entrapment. I wonder how many other cases have come down to actual entrapment.
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    That's how so said law enforcement force to make living on created "terror case".
    This does bother me. I mean, I know that we do this in other countries to get things done -- facilitate nut jobs we root out to do our dirty work -- but to evaluate the need for extra manpower, larger budgets, etc., etc. based on sting operations where the FBI (or any other law enforcement group) is setting people up? That smacks of that old adage, follow the money.

    We need more manpower! We need more toys! We need more 'whatever'! Just look! We stopped a half-dozen terrorist attacks in New York City alone!!!
    This kind of program should be evaluated very, very carefully.
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    I have to stay out of stories like this. One side of me thinks it is hideous what they get away with but another thinks, "Well they didn't walk away so clearly these folks were up to no good to begin with"

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    I think if the government can establish that the person is already hell bent on doing something, that they should be able to get some sort of 'warrant' or similar item from a judge to bait the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have to stay out of stories like this. One side of me thinks it is hideous what they get away with but another thinks, "Well they didn't walk away so clearly these folks were up to no good to begin with"
    I try to take this approach: If they willingly do this to Muslims, what reason would there be to think they wouldn't do the same to anyone else? I frankly find it disgusting that people in power would do this to anyone, without legitimate cause. Just because someone is Muslim, and we are opposed to Muslim jihadist activity, it is no justification to set them up and entrap them, when they have not demonstrated a history of illegal activity. This kind of crap just fuels the fire on several sides of the issue. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, and innocent until proven guilty, not assumed to be guilty, then set up for a fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I think if the government can establish that the person is already hell bent on doing something, that they should be able to get some sort of 'warrant' or similar item from a judge to bait the person.
    So entrapment should be legal so long as the government tells us that the individual was "hell bent" on doing something?
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    The longer I've lived here, the more my respect for the NYPD has dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So entrapment should be legal so long as the government tells us that the individual was "hell bent" on doing something?
    I think so. Its important to determine to what lengths a person would have gone had they actually been able to commit the crime. In theory the Judge would keep enforcement from abusing it.
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