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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    My faith in America preventing terrorism is dwindling, not because of this issue, but because of the constant fight to stop America from protecting itself.

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    My faith in America preventing terrorism is dwindling, not because of this issue, but because of the constant fight to stop America from protecting itself.
    Protecting itself from what?

    The irony is perverse and cruel, but over these last 11 years as the american people have been "protected" by the government by way of its taking away constitutional rights by way of the so-called Patriot Act, NDAA, and a variety of other poor laws, and as americans think they are being "protected" as they are groped and assaulted by TSA workers, ol' Mother Sandy came along and the government could not protect them from anything.

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Its terror alert level "yellow" - which means, I dunno, ah yes -

    BUG EVERYONES PHONES

    and call Homeland Security!
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    This is a newly happened case. As usual, it was guided by the FBI and bomb was supplied. So they could say "there had never been any actual threat".

    17 October 2012

    US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI

    US officials have arrested a man for plotting to detonate what he thought was a massive bomb in front of the Federal Reserve building in New York.

    Mr Nafis was placed under surveillance, and the undercover FBI agent sold him 20 bags of what he said were 50lb of explosives. The suspect then bought and assembled detonators and timing devices.

    Officials said there had never been any actual threat.

    Mr Nafis had been closely watched by the FBI
    The arrest is the latest in a series of so-called "sting" operations run by the FBI and anti-terror authorities in the US.

    BBC News - US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Interest information for share.

    HOW FEDERAL INFORMANTS WORK

    , I will explain how federal informants work and how one can access information on them. I also urge people to stop treating this subject so lightly - rehabilitating actual dangerous informants, while using the term "informant" as a smear.

    SNITCH CULTURE

    The US Department of Justice employs about 10,000 FBI field agents. FBI regulations require each agent to employ at least 4 confidential informants, and suggest 10 as an appropriate mean. This means that approximately 100,000 Americans work as informants for the FBI. When America's other 32 law enforcement agencies are considered, between 600,000 and 12 million Americans -- perhaps one out of every 200 adults -- works fulltime for the federal government reporting on other Americans.

    Informants are paid approximately $400/week for their services. Thus, this profession tends to attract those for whom $1730 a month -- $20,800 a year -- is a substantial incentive. People who are not mentally ill or otherwise living on disability and welfare benefits, or people laboring at the lower echelons of drug organizations, tend to be particular recruitment targets, as are those who are otherwise unemployed. Informants also receive a bonus for convicting others -- generally, they receive $100 for every year of sentence a victim receives -- 20 years is a $2000 bonus, for instance.
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    Bill White From Prison: How Federal Informants Work - Vanguard News Network Forum

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    Interest information for share.
    I wonder exactly how many of these informants are willing to pad their own nest and set people up in exchange for legit guv'ment money...


    If what is common practice is to pick a bottom rung thug and say "Hey Wanna do a job for me? You get $$$" then arent we and the FBI putting all their trust into bottom rung thugs?
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    I'm not really sure what the story is here.

    There doesn't appear to be any issues entrapment-wise, given the description by the guy at least.

    Not a big fan of the whole collecting names of people attending specific "studies", though it really depends on what happens to the names after they are collected, If they are only using the names for cross reference, no problem with that either.

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    When a Celebrated Activist Turns Out To Be an FBI Informant

    Monday, 05 November 2012 16:11
    By Trevor Griffey, Truthout | News Analysis

    Civil rights activist and Black Panther Party member Richard Aoki. (Photo: oso / flickr)

    Richard Aoki was a well-known activist in the San Francisco Bay Area - celebrated for his role as one of only a handful of Asian American members of the Black Panther Party, a leader in UC Berkeley’s Third World Liberation Front in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and a mentor to a generation of left-leaning activists.

    So when the journalist Seth Rosenfeld alleged in August 2012 that Aoki was an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Rosenfeld shocked Aoki’s family, friends, and allies. He also sought to shake up how we tell black freedom movement history by playing up the fact that Aoki provided the founders of the Black Panther Party (BPP) with their first guns. In the process, Rosenfeld raised important questions about what it is that informants do and what it means when an ally in struggles against government racism and police repression turns out to be an informant for the government.

    Rosenfeld’s allegations were surprising in part because they followed on the heels of the creation of two recent celebratory histories of Richard Aoki’s life. Aoki died in March 2009. In November of that year, activist filmmakers released a history of his work with documentary film, Aoki. And in April, 2012, University of Minnesota Press published a scholarly, 496 page biography of Aoki titled Samurai Among Panthers: Richard Aoki on Race, Resistance, and a Paradoxical Life.

    Only four months after the publication of Samurai Among Panthers, Rosenfeld alleged in an August 20 news article that "the man who armed the Black Panthers was FBI informant, records show."

    Rosenfeld tread gently on the revered figure’s memory. Having chosen not to share his research with activists or historians beforehand, he announced that "unbeknownst to his fellow activists, Aoki had served as an FBI intelligence informant, covertly filing reports on a wide range of Bay Area political groups." Rosenfeld described asking Aoki directly, during an oral history interview, whether he had been an informant (Aoki denied it). And Rosenfeld twice mentioned in his story that Aoki committed suicide in 2009. Could Aoki have committed suicide out of fear that Rosenfeld would expose him? Rosenfeld didn’t speculate overtly about Aoki’s decision. But he seemed to raise the issue by paying significant attention to the way that Aoki died (something few others have dwelled upon).

    When Rosenfeld published this file (FBI Headquarters file 134-10010, or 134-HQ-10010 for short) in response to his critics on September 7, with the story "FBI files reveal new details about informant who armed Black Panthers," he conclusively proved (in my opinion) that Aoki was an informant for the FBI. The only question that remains is what kind of informant Aoki was.

    In what follows, I offer a close reading of FBI documents to explain how and why they prove that Aoki was an informant. I also use the documents to draw attention to potential ambiguities in the relationship between Aoki and the FBI, to raise questions that can only be answered with further research and to identify documents whose declassification might help us better understand Aoki’s dual role as informant and activist.
    "Informant T-2"

    When Seth Rosenfeld first alleged that Aoki was an FBI informant, Rosenfeld had two compelling pieces of evidence. His biggest scoop was that former FBI Agent Burney Threadgill Jr. reportedly told him that Threadgill developed Aoki as an informant in the early 1960s, and that "he was one of the best sources we had." FBI agents rarely if ever disclose the identities of their informants, so the fact that Rosenfeld got Threadgill to go on the record with such information before Threadgill passed away in 2005 is remarkable.

    But Rosenfeld still needed corroboration of Threadgill’s claim. And he seemed to find that in a single page of a single FBI document on the Black Panther Party. According to Rosenfeld’s article, "a Nov. 16, 1967, intelligence report on the Black Panthers lists Aoki as an ‘informant’ with the code number 'T-2.' "

    Beyond Politics and 9/11 • View topic - When a Celebrated Activist Turns Out To Be an FBI Informant

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I'm not really sure what the story is here.

    There doesn't appear to be any issues entrapment-wise, given the description by the guy at least.

    .
    The point is: how could the FBI found those potential terrorists and supply cash and bombs to them? To find these people from 300 million US citizens is as hard as to pick up the number in super Lotto. There is only one possibility: that the informants are very popular among people. Everyone is under surveillance.

    June 16, 2009
    Government-Assisted Terrorists
    By Salim Muwakkil

    The FBI informant allegedly gave the four men cash, food, rent money and drugs. And he agreed to pay for a sick brother¡¯s liver transplant.

    09/06/16 Arrests in New York 'attack plot'


    The men were arrested after agreeing to buy missiles and explosives in an undercover operation.

    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/8060684.stm>

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