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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    So was the recent arrest of the muslim who intended to blow up the Federal Reserve 'entrapment?'
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So was the recent arrest of the muslim who intended to blow up the Federal Reserve 'entrapment?'
    It certainly appears that way. It is typical of almost ALL the federal prosecutions in the Global War On Terror. Engage some enthusiastic youngster down on his luck, encourage his passionate talk and feelings, and then provide him with fake weapons.

    Works very well, and has been demonstrated many times.

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It certainly appears that way. It is typical of almost ALL the federal prosecutions in the Global War On Terror. Engage some enthusiastic youngster down on his luck, encourage his passionate talk and feelings, and then provide him with fake weapons.

    Works very well, and has been demonstrated many times.
    So we should have just waited until he blew it up?

    Maybe you should refresh yourself on the definition of entrapment:

    The act of government agents or officials that induces a person to commit a crime he or she is not previously disposed to commit.

    entrapment legal definition of entrapment. entrapment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    The guy who was going to blow up the Federal Reserve was on FB soliciting a terrorist network to facilitate his crime. He just got unlucky enough to have solicited the wrong people. That is NOT entrapment. He was definitely disposed to do the crime, was planning it, and was seeking help in doing so. That does NOT meet the definition of entrapment.

    You sound like a terrorst sympathizer.
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So we should have just waited until he blew it up?

    Maybe you should refresh yourself on the definition of entrapment:

    The act of government agents or officials that induces a person to commit a crime he or she is not previously disposed to commit.

    entrapment legal definition of entrapment. entrapment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    The guy who was going to blow up the Federal Reserve was on FB soliciting a terrorist network to facilitate his crime. He just got unlucky enough to have solicited the wrong people. That is NOT entrapment. He was definitely disposed to do the crime, was planning it, and was seeking help in doing so. That does NOT meet the definition of entrapment.

    You sound like a terrorst sympathizer.
    Please pardon my skepticism of government press releases and official statements. It is, after all, 11 years POST 11 September, and the mendacity of the government and its coverup stinks more today than it did then.

    That said, yes, it is entirely possible this young man was hellbent on blowing up the Fed. Whether he would ever have succeeded on his own is highly unlikely, all things considered.

    And, if he was hellbent on doing this, then YES, the FBI did the right thing, no doubt.

    But the FBI is merely another federal bureaucracy, NOT ABOVE feathering its own nest, if you get my drift.

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Please pardon my skepticism of government press releases and official statements. It is, after all, 11 years POST 11 September, and the mendacity of the government and its coverup stinks more today than it did then.

    That said, yes, it is entirely possible this young man was hellbent on blowing up the Fed. Whether he would ever have succeeded on his own is highly unlikely, all things considered.

    And, if he was hellbent on doing this, then YES, the FBI did the right thing, no doubt.

    But the FBI is merely another federal bureaucracy, NOT ABOVE feathering its own nest, if you get my drift.
    Hellbent is not in the legal definition of anything legal. The requirement is 'reasonable suspicion.' I posted the legal definition of entrapmet for you. Entrapment is INDUCEMENT by government officials to commit a crime one would not be previously disposed to commit. When someone is on FB soliciting people to be in a terror cell, that constitutes reasonable suspicion. It does not consitute inducement! I think the police played their cards well in order to get this guy incarcerated where he needs to be.
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    You may be right about that, but so far I am not persuaded by what is known.

    The pattern of behavior demonstrated by the FBI so far, over the last 11 years or so, suggests that this is just one more case of their MAKING a case that would never have existed but for the intervention of the agency.

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So we should have just waited until he blew it up?

    Maybe you should refresh yourself on the definition of entrapment:

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    If they gave the hooked fish a fake bomb, then they said they crashed a "terror case".

    If they need a "real terror case" to intimidate people, then they gave a real bomb to the Potential "terrorist". Such as the first WTC bombing in 1993 and OKC bombing in 1995.

    TERRY NICHOLS IMPLICATES FBI INFORMANT IN BOMBING
    Amazing New Evidence Emerges in Oklahoma Bombing
    By Pat Shannan

    A recent raid on the one-time home of Terry Nichols has uncovered more evidence implicating federal agents in the bombing of Oklahoma City’s Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995.

    A source has told AFP that bomb components discovered at the former home of the OKC bombing accomplice have been linked to a federal informant who investigators believe lied during the trial of Timothy McVeigh, who was executed after his conviction in the bombing.

    There are now serious allegations that the FBI, using an informer as a conduit, supplied McVeigh and Nichols with the blasting components the two used to construct explosive devices, one of which may have been employed in the tragic Oklahoma City bombing.


    TERRY NICHOLS IMPLICATES FBI INFORMANT IN BOMBING

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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    So, its not free speech if the facts in news are selectively edited out, that's called propaganda, get it?

    See when you selectively purge facts down the memory hole it's Big Brother, that's what Orwell said.

    Wake up and smell the fascism already, the way radio censors the news, and the way the GOP owned radio business broadcast as a monopoly of pro-war dogma the last 20 years,
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    When an Oregon college student, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, thought of using a carbomb to attack a festive Christmas-tree lighting ceremony in Portland, theF.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of “inert material,”harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to makethe van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving, withMr. Mohamud in the passenger seat. To trigger the bomb the student punched anumber into a cellphone and got no boom, only a bust
    Ummmm.. Thats called a setup and scapegoat lol.

    Thats like me saying, "I wanna beat the crap out of 50 child molesters." Then the FBI dropping off 50 comatose child molesters on my doorstep and calling the cops. I wonder how much of this is exactly true and how much is assuming via inductive reasoning.
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    Re: NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

    entrapment of law-biding citizens should be illegal.

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