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With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debate

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ith 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug wardoesn't rate in presidential debate

Much of Latin America was dismayed that they got only a glancing mention inRomney and Obama's final presidential debate.
By Sara Miller Llana | Christian Science Monitor – 10/23/2012

That means no candidate talked about the drug trade, despite historicviolence playing out in Mexico, much of it along the 2,000-mile border that theUS shares.

http://news.yahoo.com/60-000-dead-mexicans-wonder-why-drug-war-141857504.html

Because they make living on this.

DEA makes living on drug case. FBI makes living on terror case.Without these cases, they lose value to exist. So if there is none, they createone.

Toexpand their power, DEA invented "War on drugs"; FBI and Pentagon invented "War on Terror". Under those two wars, drug business andterror activities become prosperous. So are the DEA, FBI and Pentagon. They gotfat budget and expanded power - Patriot Act and NDAA.
 
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More than "make a living" on the drug prohibition, their very existence depends upon the drug prohibition, at least for the DEA.

So too, the prison systems, private and public. Without the drug prohibition, our prisons would be only about half full.
 
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I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico, and why the people of Mexico do not stand up to this on their own. I wouldn't mind it if we started scrambling jets out of Texas to bomb Mexican drug facilities. Our passive interest in the plight of those living on the border is really embarrassing.
 
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It's not a topic they want to discuss since both sides agree on this one, they don't want people knowing it's a problem (and many are able to live under the delusion that it's not a problem), they don't want to act as if they have any control over it. All their buddy's are making money on the War on Drugs and they aim to keep it that way.
 
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It seems like a large part of them want to come up here anyways. Might as well just annex them.

Redirect the resources to cleaning up the gangs. I imagine if we put more officers on the street, in the places that really need it, we would have no problem. Clean up Mexico at the same time. Get a much smaller southern border to defend.
 
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I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico, and why the people of Mexico do not stand up to this on their own. I wouldn't mind it if we started scrambling jets out of Texas to bomb Mexican drug facilities. Our passive interest in the plight of those living on the border is really embarrassing.

If we drop bombs on the production facilities, we MIGHT stop production, which would be devastating to a great deal of high paying government jobs here in the US.


Think about it. Less drugs making it into the country means less cops employed specifically to bust drug dealers. Less drug dealers and users busted means considerably less prison staff. Drug enforcement is a billion dollar a year industry. Average DEA officer makes just over 55k a year. Average prison guard, 45K. Typical cop, if they've been in the force for a few years, is making between 45-60K, depending on state. Then there are all the outfitters of these people...less cops = less guns and tasers, etc. Fewer patrol cars. So on and so forth.
 
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If we drop bombs on the production facilities, we MIGHT stop production, which would be devastating to a great deal of high paying government jobs here in the US.


Think about it. Less drugs making it into the country means less cops employed specifically to bust drug dealers. Less drug dealers and users busted means considerably less prison staff. Drug enforcement is a billion dollar a year industry. Average DEA officer makes just over 55k a year. Average prison guard, 45K. Typical cop, if they've been in the force for a few years, is making between 45-60K, depending on state. Then there are all the outfitters of these people...less cops = less guns and tasers, etc. Fewer patrol cars. So on and so forth.

Well I am sure the detoxing addicts will find other highs or commit other crimes, so most of those jobs would be safe. It isn't as if we are lacking in meth labs here at home.
 
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Well I am sure the detoxing addicts will find other highs or commit other crimes, so most of those jobs would be safe. It isn't as if we are lacking in meth labs here at home.

I don't think you understand the SCOPE of the issue, here. Look up the numbers on the amounts and types of drugs estimated to be coming in from south of the border. It's huge. Sure, we have meth labs, and we have pot growers, etc. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to what's coming from Columbia, Mexico itself, and pretty much any other country that wants to ship their goods here. It all flows in through Mexico. Well, SOME of it comes via FL...but MOST through Mexico. If we simply "got rid of that" entrance, removed ALL the foreign drug imports into this country...I'd wager fully HALF of our entire national police force could be let go...along with EASILY 3/4 of DEA. There's a LOT of people doing coke, smoking grass...that would NEVER touch **** like meth, or whatever else is getting cooked up these days, like this new bath salts crap. Get rid of all that coke and all the weed...these people are likely just gonna turn to booze, or something. Which is legal. Which means no one getting locked up for doing it, no one locked up for selling it. I'd wager fully 1/3 of all the prisons would close.

I'm telling you, this is big business, and at the end of the day, the current bulk of law enforcement in this country NEEDS the drug trade. They'd be out of a job without it.
 
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i'm telling you, this is big business, and at the end of the day, the current bulk of law enforcement in this country needs the drug trade. They'd be out of a job without it.



Yes, it's all about money. Crime pays.
 
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Yes, it's all about money. Crime pays.

Hey, so I've been looking at that pic of the cat for a while now....and I'm trying to determine...is that cat smoking? It looks like it's got a smoke dangling out it's maw...
 
Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

Actually, my cats are not allowed to smoke although they would like to. They are restricted to the house and not allowed in the garage which is the only smoking area.

The photo was taken before they quit. It's forced me to smoke more than ever in order to maintain my quotas.



Hey, so I've been looking at that pic of the cat for a while now....and I'm trying to determine...is that cat smoking? It looks like it's got a smoke dangling out it's maw...
 
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With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debate

Maybe it's due to fact they Romney and Obama are not running for president of Mexico.So whether one or a hundred thousand Mexicans are dead is irrelevant to the presidential debate.
 
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Maybe it's due to fact they Romney and Obama are not running for president of Mexico.So whether one or a hundred thousand Mexicans are dead is irrelevant to the presidential debate.

Besides that point even if they brought it up, there would be nothing to say because there is nothing either of them could do about the problem.
 
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Frankly, the only presidential debates where you're going to see an honest discussion about the Drug War is in the 3rd party ones.
 
Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

Maybe it's due to fact they Romney and Obama are not running for president of Mexico.So whether one or a hundred thousand Mexicans are dead is irrelevant to the presidential debate.

Its a sad statistic that is very much relevant to US policy with the Drug War, immigration, trade, etc.
 
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Besides that point even if they brought it up, there would be nothing to say because there is nothing either of them could do about the problem.

We could stop funding a failed policy and reform our drug laws. There is a lot that could be done because the drug lords depend on US consumers.
 
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Its a sad statistic that is very much relevant to US policy with the Drug War, immigration, trade, etc.

None of those things are have anything to do with the 60,000 Mexicans getting killed. Cartels are not going to stop just because another country legalizes certain or all drugs, especially if they can still export their goods and even when US consumers stop purchasing their drugs they'll find other customers and other things to sell.
 
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Because the states more heavily affected by Mexico will not decide this election. Texas is given. California is given. New Mexico is given. Even Arizona is more or less a given.

This election will be won or lost in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

The politicians know how to play this game.

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Because they make living on this.

DEA makes living on drug case. FBI makes living on terror case.Without these cases, they lose value to exist. So if there is none, they createone.

Toexpand their power, DEA invented "War on drugs"; FBI and Pentagon invented "War on Terror". Under those two wars, drug business andterror activities become prosperous. So are the DEA, FBI and Pentagon. They gotfat budget and expanded power - Patriot Act and NDAA.
 
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I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico
We've tried to help them before, and they just spit in our face in return, so **** them. Isolate the cartels, prevent them from coming here through any means necessary, and let Mexico deal with it. If they can't, then we cut them a deal. If we have to do their job for them, and exterminate the cartels, we take payment by absorbing Mexico as a US territory. No more of these chicken**** games with these corrupt jackasses who cower in their mansions as they pawn their problems off on us.
 
More repetivie insanity

1) US government spends billions making drugs illegal
2) people naturally and inevitably fill the void, taking advantage of the lucrative profit margin from America's inelastic demand for intoxicants
3) Ridicule people who point out that legalization/decriminalization/public education would solve/ease the problem
4) US government spends spend billions combating people that supply drugs (huge profits for law enforcement, specifically the DEA)
5) go to #2

"We've tried #4 before, but #2 keeps happening! Maybe if we try #4 again, with more money and human rights abuses, #2 will go away!"
 
Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico, and why the people of Mexico do not stand up to this on their own. I wouldn't mind it if we started scrambling jets out of Texas to bomb Mexican drug facilities. Our passive interest in the plight of those living on the border is really embarrassing.

It's embarrassing to read another citizen post such uninformed and belligerent tripe.

Don't we have enough wars going on around the globe? Now you want to bomb Mexico? Egads!

The truth is that the drug prohibition CANNOT succeed. The government is not capable of eliminating vices amongst humans. I think you are seriously kidding yourself to pretend otherwise.

For the various enforcement bureaucracies, including the prison system, the drug prohibition is the gift that keeps on giving, in perpetuity. From the bureaucratic perspective, it is The Goose That Lays Golden Eggs.

For taxpayers, it is a perpetual futility and a very large consumer of wasted tax revenue.
 
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It's embarrassing to read another citizen post such uninformed and belligerent tripe.

Don't we have enough wars going on around the globe? Now you want to bomb Mexico? Egads!

The truth is that the drug prohibition CANNOT succeed. The government is not capable of eliminating vices amongst humans. I think you are seriously kidding yourself to pretend otherwise.

For the various enforcement bureaucracies, including the prison system, the drug prohibition is the gift that keeps on giving, in perpetuity. From the bureaucratic perspective, it is The Goose That Lays Golden Eggs.

For taxpayers, it is a perpetual futility and a very large consumer of wasted tax revenue.

Perhaps if you were to inform yourself with what landowners living along the border have been dealing with for the last 20-30 years then the need to do something wouldn't be such ideological "tripe" to you.
 
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They barely talked about the 20 million here illegally...why would they talk about 60 thousand dead folk there? If you talk about it you have to own up to the fact that you havent done **** about it, and what little bit you DID do blew up in your face because it was...oh yeah...stupid.

Hey...when your DoJ decides to enact ideas that BUSH thought were too stupid to use...that speaks volumes about your DoJ...and you.
 
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Because they make living on this.

DEA makes living on drug case. FBI makes living on terror case.Without these cases, they lose value to exist. So if there is none, they createone.

Toexpand their power, DEA invented "War on drugs"; FBI and Pentagon invented "War on Terror". Under those two wars, drug business andterror activities become prosperous. So are the DEA, FBI and Pentagon. They gotfat budget and expanded power - Patriot Act and NDAA.

The "War on...err for Drugs" was declared by them, not us.
 
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The larger question is why the 80 million Mexicans that have colonized the United States don't go back to their own country and solve their own problems.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Mexicans are a dependent culture that expects others to support them and solve their problems. Much, much easier to stay in the US and whine about the Americans than to actually do something.
 
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