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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Ending prohibition ended the black market for alcohol, but as far as I am aware the gangs and criminals of the era did not just disappear or turn to legal activities. The Depression may also have obscured some of the effects of ending it.

    That book sounds interest, I may check it out. I don't disagree that prohibition of these types of things is bad economic policy and encourages crime. I'm more concerned with what happens when the very large and dangerous criminal industry that prohibition of drugs has created suddenly realizes it is in danger of losing its market power.
    You're quite right in that the criminal gangs did not necessarily "just disappear", though I would imagine that some did.

    But what certainly DID happen was that those criminal gangs suddenly lost HUGE amounts of revenue. Their finances took a big hit.

    The same applies to the drug black market today. Sure, there might still be a few gangs around, but with repeal they would lose a significant part of their cash flow. Depending upon circumstances which you and I can only speculate about, perhaps ALL of their cash flow.

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    The war on terror was invented by the Feds. The purpose is to demand more money and power from people. So when the intelligence and Pentagon are there, the terror will be there too. If there is none, they create one.

    Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. As the hound getting more power, they don't want to be guards any more. They want to be master. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let these agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they demanded -money, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget fund, torture prison.... . The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they will strike again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".

    That's why we saw after 10 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

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    The war on terror was invented by the Feds. The purpose is to demand more money and power from people. So when the intelligence and Pentagon are there, the terror will be there too. If there is none, they create one.

    Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. As the hound getting more power, they don't want to be guards any more. They want to be master. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let these agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they demanded -money, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget fund, torture prison.... . The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they will strike again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".

    That's why we saw after 10 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    They need to ask their own GOVT why they're not doing more...why is it always about us doing more why Mexico's police and GOVT continues to be so corrupt. We need to do something agreed...but it has to be first and foremost to protect our country then to help their country. We live near the boarder and use to go into Mexico to eat and shop all the time...no more no way! The Mexican GOVT has forgotten about its people that live along the boarder....they do little to control the drug problem that starts inside their country. I am sick and tired of hearing about how WE should be the ones doing this and from Calderon who talks crap to us about what a bad country we are when it comes to his people coming here illegally and not allowing them citizenship for being here....when his own country does not allow us to just become citizens because we want to of his country. I am for finding a way to make those here legal....but the right way...Agreed we need to do something with the boarder for Drugs and illegal smuggling...but for our country...which hopefully in turn will help theirs...but I doubt it.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicaladdict View Post
    They need to ask their own GOVT why they're not doing more...why is it always about us doing more why Mexico's police and GOVT continues to be so corrupt. We need to do something agreed...but it has to be first and foremost to protect our country then to help their country. We live near the boarder and use to go into Mexico to eat and shop all the time...no more no way! The Mexican GOVT has forgotten about its people that live along the boarder....they do little to control the drug problem that starts inside their country. I am sick and tired of hearing about how WE should be the ones doing this and from Calderon who talks crap to us about what a bad country we are when it comes to his people coming here illegally and not allowing them citizenship for being here....when his own country does not allow us to just become citizens because we want to of his country. I am for finding a way to make those here legal....but the right way...Agreed we need to do something with the boarder for Drugs and illegal smuggling...but for our country...which hopefully in turn will help theirs...but I doubt it.
    Are you saying Calderon did not mobilize the army to fight against the cartels? Are you saying there are not gunfights in the streets every day between the army and the bad guys? I can assure you there are.

    What else would you like Calderon, or his successor, to do to fight the Narcos?

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Make all drugs legal - the 'war' would end almost immediately.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Obama the comeback kid?

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Ain't nobody got time for that.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If we drop bombs on the production facilities, we MIGHT stop production, which would be devastating to a great deal of high paying government jobs here in the US.


    Think about it. Less drugs making it into the country means less cops employed specifically to bust drug dealers. Less drug dealers and users busted means considerably less prison staff. Drug enforcement is a billion dollar a year industry. Average DEA officer makes just over 55k a year. Average prison guard, 45K. Typical cop, if they've been in the force for a few years, is making between 45-60K, depending on state. Then there are all the outfitters of these people...less cops = less guns and tasers, etc. Fewer patrol cars. So on and so forth.
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