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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico, and why the people of Mexico do not stand up to this on their own. I wouldn't mind it if we started scrambling jets out of Texas to bomb Mexican drug facilities. Our passive interest in the plight of those living on the border is really embarrassing.
    It's embarrassing to read another citizen post such uninformed and belligerent tripe.

    Don't we have enough wars going on around the globe? Now you want to bomb Mexico? Egads!

    The truth is that the drug prohibition CANNOT succeed. The government is not capable of eliminating vices amongst humans. I think you are seriously kidding yourself to pretend otherwise.

    For the various enforcement bureaucracies, including the prison system, the drug prohibition is the gift that keeps on giving, in perpetuity. From the bureaucratic perspective, it is The Goose That Lays Golden Eggs.

    For taxpayers, it is a perpetual futility and a very large consumer of wasted tax revenue.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It's embarrassing to read another citizen post such uninformed and belligerent tripe.

    Don't we have enough wars going on around the globe? Now you want to bomb Mexico? Egads!

    The truth is that the drug prohibition CANNOT succeed. The government is not capable of eliminating vices amongst humans. I think you are seriously kidding yourself to pretend otherwise.

    For the various enforcement bureaucracies, including the prison system, the drug prohibition is the gift that keeps on giving, in perpetuity. From the bureaucratic perspective, it is The Goose That Lays Golden Eggs.

    For taxpayers, it is a perpetual futility and a very large consumer of wasted tax revenue.
    Perhaps if you were to inform yourself with what landowners living along the border have been dealing with for the last 20-30 years then the need to do something wouldn't be such ideological "tripe" to you.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    They barely talked about the 20 million here illegally...why would they talk about 60 thousand dead folk there? If you talk about it you have to own up to the fact that you havent done **** about it, and what little bit you DID do blew up in your face because it was...oh yeah...stupid.

    Hey...when your DoJ decides to enact ideas that BUSH thought were too stupid to use...that speaks volumes about your DoJ...and you.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    Because they make living on this.

    DEA makes living on drug case. FBI makes living on terror case.Without these cases, they lose value to exist. So if there is none, they createone.

    Toexpand their power, DEA invented "War on drugs"; FBI and Pentagon invented "War on Terror". Under those two wars, drug business andterror activities become prosperous. So are the DEA, FBI and Pentagon. They gotfat budget and expanded power - Patriot Act and NDAA.
    The "War on...err for Drugs" was declared by them, not us.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    The larger question is why the 80 million Mexicans that have colonized the United States don't go back to their own country and solve their own problems.

    Oh yeah, I forgot, Mexicans are a dependent culture that expects others to support them and solve their problems. Much, much easier to stay in the US and whine about the Americans than to actually do something.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    We could stop funding a failed policy and reform our drug laws. There is a lot that could be done because the drug lords depend on US consumers.
    That doesn't change my point that there is nothing either of them could do about the problem.

    Any changes need to go through the Congress, not from the President.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Perhaps if you were to inform yourself with what landowners living along the border have been dealing with for the last 20-30 years then the need to do something wouldn't be such ideological "tripe" to you.
    I'm very sympathetic to the border landowner's plight from the drug war. I live in Florida and can remember when bales came crashing through the roof of homeowners. Nothing like back in the 80's, but contraband STILL washes up on the beaches. Ordinary pleasure boaters are STILL harrassed by federal agents acting like they are on a mission from God.

    The point is, the prohibition causes a litany of social pathologies, not the least of which are arrogant federal agents in boats and whatever problems you folks along the Rio Grande and elsewhere experience.

    The point is that not only is the drug war stupid, counterproductive and illegitimate, but that after 98 years of prohibition, it is intellectually dishonest to claim that bombing Mexico is somehow going to win that perpetual futility.

    Is High Explosive and murder the answer to all our problems?

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Is High Explosive and murder the answer to all our problems?
    A lot of them, yes. If only we could get away with it more....

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico, and why the people of Mexico do not stand up to this on their own. I wouldn't mind it if we started scrambling jets out of Texas to bomb Mexican drug facilities. Our passive interest in the plight of those living on the border is really embarrassing.
    I can understand why we haven't. The last thing we need is to create a new little Al Qaeda right across the Mexican border. These people are already good at sneaking into our country with contraband. If we send jets to bomb their facilities they will probably send their people over with bombs instead of weed.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The larger question is why the 80 million Mexicans that have colonized the United States don't go back to their own country and solve their own problems.

    Oh yeah, I forgot, Mexicans are a dependent culture that expects others to support them and solve their problems. Much, much easier to stay in the US and whine about the Americans than to actually do something.
    "Mexicans" risk everything to come to a foreign country and work their ass off to provide for a family, in spite of an inept and corrupt home government. Wouldst that more Americans were like 'Mexicans'.

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