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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debate
    Maybe it's due to fact they Romney and Obama are not running for president of Mexico.So whether one or a hundred thousand Mexicans are dead is irrelevant to the presidential debate.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Maybe it's due to fact they Romney and Obama are not running for president of Mexico.So whether one or a hundred thousand Mexicans are dead is irrelevant to the presidential debate.
    Besides that point even if they brought it up, there would be nothing to say because there is nothing either of them could do about the problem.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Frankly, the only presidential debates where you're going to see an honest discussion about the Drug War is in the 3rd party ones.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Maybe it's due to fact they Romney and Obama are not running for president of Mexico.So whether one or a hundred thousand Mexicans are dead is irrelevant to the presidential debate.
    Its a sad statistic that is very much relevant to US policy with the Drug War, immigration, trade, etc.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Besides that point even if they brought it up, there would be nothing to say because there is nothing either of them could do about the problem.
    We could stop funding a failed policy and reform our drug laws. There is a lot that could be done because the drug lords depend on US consumers.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Its a sad statistic that is very much relevant to US policy with the Drug War, immigration, trade, etc.
    None of those things are have anything to do with the 60,000 Mexicans getting killed. Cartels are not going to stop just because another country legalizes certain or all drugs, especially if they can still export their goods and even when US consumers stop purchasing their drugs they'll find other customers and other things to sell.
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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Because the states more heavily affected by Mexico will not decide this election. Texas is given. California is given. New Mexico is given. Even Arizona is more or less a given.

    This election will be won or lost in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    The politicians know how to play this game.

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    Because they make living on this.

    DEA makes living on drug case. FBI makes living on terror case.Without these cases, they lose value to exist. So if there is none, they createone.

    Toexpand their power, DEA invented "War on drugs"; FBI and Pentagon invented "War on Terror". Under those two wars, drug business andterror activities become prosperous. So are the DEA, FBI and Pentagon. They gotfat budget and expanded power - Patriot Act and NDAA.

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    Re: With 60,000 dead, Mexicans wonder why drug war doesn't rate in presidential debat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have never understood why we do not do more with Mexico
    We've tried to help them before, and they just spit in our face in return, so **** them. Isolate the cartels, prevent them from coming here through any means necessary, and let Mexico deal with it. If they can't, then we cut them a deal. If we have to do their job for them, and exterminate the cartels, we take payment by absorbing Mexico as a US territory. No more of these chicken**** games with these corrupt jackasses who cower in their mansions as they pawn their problems off on us.
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    More repetivie insanity

    1) US government spends billions making drugs illegal
    2) people naturally and inevitably fill the void, taking advantage of the lucrative profit margin from America's inelastic demand for intoxicants
    3) Ridicule people who point out that legalization/decriminalization/public education would solve/ease the problem
    4) US government spends spend billions combating people that supply drugs (huge profits for law enforcement, specifically the DEA)
    5) go to #2

    "We've tried #4 before, but #2 keeps happening! Maybe if we try #4 again, with more money and human rights abuses, #2 will go away!"

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