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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    In other words, you have no answer.

    Intervention is intervention. Government intervention in this case harms the ability and desire of scientists to do what they do.

    Likewise, government intervention in the economy harms the ability and desire of entrepreneurs and businesspeople to do what they do.

    If you can't see the hypocrisy in your earlier statement, then you're beyond reach.


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    I dunno what issue you're referring to, but economics is kinda my thing so I tend to focus a lot on how government affects economic incentives.
    In any case, it's the topic for another thread.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I am not saying I support this, it may go too far. But there is something to be said for holding scientists accountable for the human consequences of their actions.
    What human consequences are that? Lack of foresight? Inability to precisely forecast the future? Lack of a proper time machine?
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In other words, you have no answer.

    Intervention is intervention. Government intervention in this case harms the ability and desire of scientists to do what they do.

    Likewise, government intervention in the economy harms the ability and desire of entrepreneurs and businesspeople to do what they do.

    If you can't see the hypocrisy in your earlier statement, then you're beyond reach.
    Mmmk. Since you decided to get hostile without even bothering to explain what political issue you're talking about or why you're so pissed off about it, I think I'm done responding to you here.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    I thought you were done responding the last time? You've already implied that you don't have a good response, and I can easily tell you why that isn't a surprise...

    Like so many liberals, you are fine being an unprincipled hypocrite, as long as you get free handouts from the government (paid for by others who actually do productive work).

    "Free" stuff is more important to liberals like you than actually having a consistent viewpoint based on some sort of principled argument.

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    Mmmk. Since you decided to get hostile without even bothering to explain what political issue you're talking about or why you're so pissed off about it, I think I'm done responding to you here.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    An element that's being ignored here is that these are government scientists, employed by the government to do risk assessment. People, for right or wrong, trusted the government when they said it'd be okay/safe, the government was going off the recommendations of their own risk assessment panel. The folks on the panel got it wrong and thus the government left it's people at increased risk while saying things would be okay.

    There was more than your typical scientitist's duty to this government risk assessment panel. And the government had a higher duty to be more aware and communicate as well.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What human consequences are that? Lack of foresight? Inability to precisely forecast the future? Lack of a proper time machine?
    How about improperly claiming certainty?

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    An element that's being ignored here is that these are government scientists, employed by the government to do risk assessment. People, for right or wrong, trusted the government when they said it'd be okay/safe, the government was going off the recommendations of their own risk assessment panel. The folks on the panel got it wrong and thus the government left it's people at increased risk while saying things would be okay.

    There was more than your typical scientitist's duty to this government risk assessment panel. And the government had a higher duty to be more aware and communicate as well.
    What should they have done differently? The scientific knowledge to predict earthquakes does not exist...government scientists are no exception. All they can do is study the likelihood of an earthquake, and there is no particular reason to believe that their methods were unsound.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What should they have done differently? The scientific knowledge to predict earthquakes does not exist...government scientists are no exception. All they can do is study the likelihood of an earthquake, and there is no particular reason to believe that their methods were unsound.
    As I've stated before, and from what I've read here, the results of the panel were announced to the public by a politician. Whomever made the announcement should face part of the blame. But as for the scientists on the risk assessment panel, as I said, they faced a greater duty than just to science. They had a duty to educate and in the end place their determination in terms the average citizen could understand.

    We don't have the text of the announcement, and it would be good if we did as then we could contrast it with the public announcements we see here. Generally when we see such an announcement there are huge disclaimers and a lot of education that goes along with them.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    How about improperly claiming certainty?
    What was the claim, did they say 0% chance of earthquake? What evidence did they have on hand to make that claim? Did the evidence they had on hand support the claim?
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What was the claim, did they say 0% chance of earthquake? What evidence did they have on hand to make that claim? Did the evidence they had on hand support the claim?
    I don't know and neither do you. Why are you jumping to conclusions?

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