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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There's as much Roman Law in the Common Law as there is in Civil Law.
    Proof?

    The main point was that Common Law is not based on Roman Law, just influenced by it. This was in contradiction of the assertion that the Romans gave us The Law. Wild over-exaggeration.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Proof?

    The main point was that Common Law is not based on Roman Law, just influenced by it. This was in contradiction of the assertion that the Romans gave us The Law. Wild over-exaggeration.
    Romans may not have invented law but it is hardly an exaggeration to say the common law countries owe their law to the Romans. You want proof, you can find it is Coke or Blackstone or Bracton.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    None of it says I disagree with you, DOES IT?!
    Nope. I guess you just enjoy posting ridiculous, unrelated opinions about how scientists should be held responsible for their human consequences in a discussion about scientists being held responsible for human consequences.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Romans may not have invented law but it is hardly an exaggeration to say the common law countries owe their law to the Romans. You want proof, you can find it is Coke or Blackstone or Bracton.
    I think those writers, particularly Bracton, demonstrate that Roman law influenced, but did not "give us" The Law. But it's a debate that belongs somewhere else.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think those writers, particularly Bracton, demonstrate that Roman law influenced, but did not "give us" The Law. But it's a debate that belongs somewhere else.
    You are making an arbitrary distinction. Obviously eight hundred years after the fall of the western empire, English law developed a unique character, but you are ignoring the fact that the early Anglo Saxon law was taken whole cloth from the Roman Law, and what Bracton did was simply codify it. So it is correct to say both that the Romans gave us our law and continues to influence our law through the middle ages. Even after the Anglo Saxon law developed it was constantly reinfused with Roman principles by English jurists looking back to the Roman law.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No. They were Christians during the Renaissance. While it is true that Christianity coincided with the fall of the Roman Empire, it wasn't its cause.
    And the renaissance came after the dark ages, where the Christian church had dumified the European population. Even during the renaissance certain limits were not to be breached... Galileo comes to mind and many others.

    So you can thank Christianity for allowing city states to develop themselves in peace and bringing stability to the region. It is because of the great influence the Vatican had in the region that senseless, brutal wars weren't done there between nations.
    LOL okay,.. so there was no wars between city states in Italy... Genoa did not have colonies as far away as Russia and Venice was not a major power in Italy but in all of Europe.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Italy joins the race for "worst government on science!" They'll have to step it up a notch if they want to compete with the USA, though.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    How is it that you can understand the way in which government and political interference can damage incentives for good science to take place, but, as a liberal, you are unable to understand how government and political interference can damage economic incentives?
    I dunno what issue you're referring to, but economics is kinda my thing so I tend to focus a lot on how government affects economic incentives.
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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And the renaissance came after the dark ages, where the Christian church had dumified the European population. Even during the renaissance certain limits were not to be breached... Galileo comes to mind and many others.

    You have to account for the technological advancement at the time...

    LOL okay,.. so there was no wars between city states in Italy... Genoa did not have colonies as far away as Russia and Venice was not a major power in Italy but in all of Europe.
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    That is not what I am saying.

    Look. Lets discuss 2 kinds of warfare.

    Inter-ethnic warfare and intra-ethnic warfare. Inter-ethnic warfare is wars that are done between like the French and the English for the 100 years war and the intra-ethnic wars are things like the civil war in the USA or the wars between the city states of ancient greece or between the dark ages and renaissance period italian city states wars.

    Usually, Europeans tried to civilize war and the most successful means of civilizing war have always been done in intra-ethnic warfare. The ancient greeks, the romans, the americans during the civil war and countless examples during the dark ages nad before justify this. inter-ethnic warfare has, for the majority of history, been unaddressed in regards to civilizing it. making it abide by certain rules and conducts... the only real effort done in this regard was after WW1. When the "glory" of war has been replaced with the gory reality of the issue. The pope had played a part, at least at times, as a peacekeeper in western Europe and we should be thankful to religion... and at times it has played the part of the agitator.

    The point I am trying to make is that the reason why the itallic peninsula was a more peaceful place to live in than the rest of Europe for a few centuries was because of a mixture of ethnic genetics and religion. Race and ethnicity plays a part in helping people coming together... hence the reason why intra-ethnic wars have always been blessed, at least in Europe, with codes and regulation regarding warfare. And religion sealed the deal.

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    Re: Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for not predicting earthquake

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    Holy. Crap. People are so ****ing stupid. Aside from the injustice and the human tragedy associated with this case, this verdict will have a chilling effect on science. What has happened to Italy? It used to be a modern country, but over the past decade it has devolved into a banana republic.

    If the scientists were creating a new deadlier for of a disease like those dutch scientists who decided to make a even deadlier form of SARs. But not being able to predict when or what type of earthquakes is going to happen is not one of those things we should be jailing people over. Heck if I was a weatherman I would seriously think about moving to another country. Because if they can jail you for failing to accurately predict earthquakes then they can jail you because you didn't predict flooding rains, how dangerous a storm might be or what ever else.
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