BayToBay
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Poppycock!!Libertarians, like Liberals, and conservatives all draw a line on what is "favorable" and "mature" based on their own goals for society; so please spare me the sanctimony.
In terms of gay marriage, there are logical arguments from both sides. With liberals, the arguments stem from short term inconsequence to society, with Conservatives, their arguments stem from long term consequences to society. Libertarians on the other hand, on the face, care little about consequences in favor of an all or nothing path to unbridled freedom Both liberal and conservative views are potentially correct, however, a libertarian no holds barred approach to freedom, and liberty, is undoubtedly incorrect.
Tim-
Sorry, but pretend libertarians (trying not to accuse anyone) often claim to support gay marriage but only in some unworkable fantasy world that they have not fully considered. It is a way for embarassed Republicans to oppose gay marriage without coming out and saying that they just don't like homosexuality. They use it to rationalize their cynical views on the topic. They do a disservice to all libertarians when they fail to sincerely advance the cause of liberty.
I have been in the movement for over 20 years and I have read and considered about every different theory as calmly as anyone possibly could. If you want to be spared then don't bother baiting me. If you think you have some sort of ideas that I have failed to consider then articulate them clearly and quit playing games.
I really don't care that much what you think anybody thinks or even what I THINK anybody thinks. I was only pointing out the frequent mistakes and the shallow thoughts I have come across to encourage deeper discussion/consideration of the issues. There is no reason to hold your cards close to your vest. Tell us what you think. Do you have an argument to offer? You asked...
Gee I wonder what the pro gay police would say to my views on the topic.. LOL
Officer BayToBay is here to serve.
What are your views? I cannot answer you if you don't articulate them. I can help with some questions or you can just tell us what your views are on this case.
Who will handle the dissolution of marriage contracts or ANY contract if not the courts? Private arbitrators? Can they use sharia? What other sorts of legal standards/traditions can they apply? What if they are challenged? Who is the final arbiter?
These are the things those presenting immature thoughts either have not considered or are attempting to hide from public consideration. I don't appreciate either approach. I can answer all these questions, because I have considered it and I have no need to hide my views.
If you think you are going to run me off with some homophobic ad hominem, think again. I don't care what you think about my sexual preferences.
And BTW, there is no reason your view need not be an evolving one. MAYBE, you will cause mine to evolve. Teach me something new.