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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Marriage is still more than just "going steady". You don't need government to make it what it is.
    Who keeps custody of the children after divorce in your ideal world of government-free marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Of course it's aberrant behavior. If it wasn't, this little celebratory thread wouldn't be here would it?

    And people like you wouldn't feel the need to demand answers to your self serving questions in a bullying manner like you did.

    You rabid, hate filled homosexuals have confused "acceptance" with bullying others into silence, but after 60 years of attacking all aspects of heterosexuality, including the faith of others, school children, boy scouts, military, etc., etc., you don't have much left except to remark on meaningless decisions in liberal courts that are deeply resented and ridiculed by the silenced majority.
    Ahh yes the "silent majority" invocation. Lots of people agree with me, I swear! No I can't substantiate that!

    Here's something to consider.

    Nobody cares about your acceptance. You can sit there and stew all day about just how terrible those meanie homos are. Nobody cares. Gay people don't want to get married in your hate-filled church by a man who thinks they're an abomination because the Old Testament told him so. Nobody who ever got married ever cared if you personally approve of their union. Not one person on this planet has asked themselves "what would Ray410 think about me marrying this person?"

    You whine about being forced to "accept" something. Bull****. Nobody is forcing you to accept anything. We're talking about changing the law, not changing your opinion.

    Because nobody cares.

    It is not an attack on heterosexuality to suggest that gay people be given the same rights as everyone else. Don't believe me? Well, answer this question then:

    What demonstrable harm is done to you by two men marrying each other?
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    You can subscribe to all the flower petals and rose-colored glasses imagery you want. It doesn't change by one whit what a marriage is and is not. It is a civil institution exclusively offered and maintained by the state. Take it or leave it. Those are the two basic choices.
    State intervention has always been secondary to what marriage is and represents to people. Marriage is simply not just a government contract and nothing else.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    State intervention has always been secondary to what marriage is and represents to people. Marriage is simply not just a government contract and nothing else.
    Except the discussion here isn't about any of that other stuff. Nobody is trying to change any of that. We're discussing a federal law and its relationship to the legal status of individuals. We aren't discussing what you call it, or what meaning you place on it.

    So, yes, people place other meaning on the word. That's irrelevant to the discussion. State recognition is most definitely not secondary when you're talking about a legal contract. It's very primary.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    State intervention has always been secondary to what marriage is and represents to people. Marriage is simply not just a government contract and nothing else.
    Backwards alert! The state and its laws are at the core of every marriage. You want fries with that? Fine. Cook up all you like. But as much as you might like them, they will still be just a side dish of little decorative frilly things.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Except the discussion here isn't about any of that other stuff. Nobody is trying to change any of that. We're discussing a federal law and its relationship to the legal status of individuals. We aren't discussing what you call it, or what meaning you place on it.
    Deuce, people were telling me that without a government contract marriage would be just "going steady". I was simply saying that is a bogus claim.

    So, yes, people place other meaning on the word. That's irrelevant to the discussion. State recognition is most definitely not secondary when you're talking about a legal contract. It's very primary.
    My point was there is no need for a government contract or even a contract in general for marriage.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Backwards alert! The state and its laws are at the core of every marriage.
    The core of a marriage is the people involved.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The core of a marriage is the people involved.
    Fantastic. Would you like to talk about the law now? As a libertarian, what's your view on the government deciding who an individual is or is not allowed to enter a contract with?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Fantastic. Would you like to talk about the law now? As a libertarian, what's your view on the government deciding who an individual is or is not allowed to enter a contract with?
    The government has no business making such decisions. If people wish to enter into a contract with each other the government should take no steps to stop them. Is there something about this you would like to discuss perhaps?

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