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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I hope this was an attempt at sarcasm

    because - Most Americans support same-sex unions and now even the socially conservative Latino demographic has changed its views - Majority of Latinos Back Same-Sex Marriage



    and simply to forestall the nay-sayers, yes - a majority of African Americans are still opposed to gay marriage BUT such opposition is not enough to change their support of the President's re-election
    The bolded is not factual. 53% of African-Americans support gay marriage. (Strong Support for Gay Marriage Now Exceeds Strong Opposition - ABC News)

    "Overall, 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be legal, steady the past year but up from 36 percent in just 2006."
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Marriage is still more than just "going steady".
    In what specific ways that do not involve the state?

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    You don't need government to make it what it is.
    Yes, you do. Marriage is entirely a civil institution, the rights and responsibilities of which have been codified into law. Agents licensed by the state must approve an application for marriage, and must administer the corny oaths and other trappings that confirm its completion. Once married, modification or dissolution of the union requires the approval of more agents of the state. Everything to do with marriage is intertwined with the state. Without the state, you do not have a marriage at all, but some pale cohabitation/"going steady" imitation of it.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Marriage is still more than just "going steady". You don't need government to make it what it is.
    I suppose my one question is, then, how do you decide things like custody of children, or division of marital assets? It's one thing to expect prenups, but if government can't enforce anything, then anyone can marry without prenups, and plenty will. What about child support? A lot of law about marriage isn't just about who can marry, but about what happens when the marriage ends. Don't you need some consistent rules to cover how divorces happen?
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Are you calling homosexuality aberrant behavior?
    Of course it's aberrant behavior. If it wasn't, this little celebratory thread wouldn't be here would it?

    And people like you wouldn't feel the need to demand answers to your self serving questions in a bullying manner like you did.

    You rabid, hate filled homosexuals have confused "acceptance" with bullying others into silence, but after 60 years of attacking all aspects of heterosexuality, including the faith of others, school children, boy scouts, military, etc., etc., you don't have much left except to remark on meaningless decisions in liberal courts that are deeply resented and ridiculed by the silenced majority.
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Of course it's aberrant behavior. If it wasn't, this little celebratory thread wouldn't be here would it?

    And people like you wouldn't feel the need to demand answers to your self serving questions in a bullying manner like you did.

    You rabid, hate filled homosexuals have confused "acceptance" with bullying others into silence, but after 60 years of attacking all aspects of heterosexuality, including the faith of others, school children, boy scouts, military, etc., etc., you don't have much left except to remark on meaningless decisions in liberal courts that are deeply resented and ridiculed by the silenced majority.

    WOW! just WOW! I had not realised that we had gangs out on the streets at night beating and bullying that poor, poor silent majority of hets. Nobody bothers to tell me anything any more.
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    In what specific ways that do not involve the state?
    Sorry?

    Yes, you do. Marriage is entirely a civil institution, the rights and responsibilities of which have been codified into law. Agents licensed by the state must approve an application for marriage, and must administer the corny oaths and other trappings that confirm its completion. Once married, modification or dissolution of the union requires the approval of more agents of the state. Everything to do with marriage is intertwined with the state. Without the state, you do not have a marriage at all, but some pale cohabitation/"going steady" imitation of it.
    No marriage is first and foremost a commitment between people where the promises are made on the day of the commitment. The contracts warps the personal aspects of marriage into a legal enforcement of rules the state finds important. Marriage in a way has always been going steady but with higher purpose and meaning and there is no reason to suspect that is bad thing.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    You need some sort of government/arbiter for the contract to have meaning. Without it there is only your personal commitment, that is, going steady. Marriage has greater meaning because of society's recognition of the commitment.
    According to you.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Of course it's aberrant behavior. If it wasn't, this little celebratory thread wouldn't be here would it?
    There's a misconception it's aberrant behavior.

    You rabid, hate filled homosexuals have confused "acceptance" with bullying others into silence, but after 60 years of attacking all aspects of heterosexuality, including the faith of others, school children, boy scouts, military, etc., etc., you don't have much left except to remark on meaningless decisions in liberal courts that are deeply resented and ridiculed by the silenced majority.
    There's not an attack on heterosexuality. Someone being homosexual doesn't interfere with your heterosexuality. A silenced majority is a minority, then.
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Of course it's aberrant behavior. If it wasn't, this little celebratory thread wouldn't be here would it?
    Of course it's not aberrant behavior. This thread exists to attempt to educate some of you folks who don't know this.
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No marriage is first and foremost a commitment between people where the promises are made on the day of the commitment. The contracts warps the personal aspects of marriage into a legal enforcement of rules the state finds important. Marriage in a way has always been going steady but with higher purpose and meaning and there is no reason to suspect that is bad thing.
    You can subscribe to all the flower petals and rose-colored glasses imagery you want. It doesn't change by one whit what a marriage is and is not. It is a civil institution exclusively offered and maintained by the state. Take it or leave it. Those are the two basic choices.

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