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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    The issue at hand is that consenting adults should be left to handle decisions about divorce, inheritance, benefits, etc. That is why govt needs to get the heck out of people's personal business. If it weren't for government controls on so many other personal matters, this whole brouhaha over gay marriage would be non-existent. This whole issue is the government taking with one hand and giving with the other.
    That is pretty much my opinion, but apparently to BaytoBay that makes me a fake libertarian. If people want a contract it needs to be defended by the state, but if they don't, they should be free to do that and still get married.
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is pretty much my opinion, but apparently to BaytoBay that makes me a fake libertarian. If people want a contract it needs to be defended by the state, but if they don't, they should be free to do that and still get married.
    So what would marriage without the contractual obligations be? Shacking up?

    I already walked back from from questioning your sincerity.
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It is unconstitutional because it prevents a state from defining marriage however it wants to, which is constitutional.
    It violates the full faith and credit clause.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    No society can long survive unless there is a point at which it says "No" to aberrant behavior, even if only to stop the relentless creep of incremental intrusion upon that which the majority defines as acceptable and decent.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    No society can long survive unless there is a point at which it says "No" to aberrant behavior, even if only to stop the relentless creep of incremental intrusion upon that which the majority defines as acceptable and decent.
    Are you calling homosexuality aberrant behavior?
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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    BaytoBay... I agree with Henrin on pretty much nothing, but he is about as libertarian as they come... and a consistent one at that.
    Still trying to figure out what his position is.

    Any that claim it while supporting DOMA or federal bans has gone astray somewhere.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    No society can long survive unless there is a point at which it says "No" to aberrant behavior, even if only to stop the relentless creep of incremental intrusion upon that which the majority defines as acceptable and decent.
    Well, then you are going to have to repeal the 14th. I don't think the majority is going to support you. I don't think the majority agrees it is sufficiently aberrant behavior that they would wish to enlist state force against it and many recent polls are against you on recognition of same sex marriage. Society is going to do just fine.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    No society can long survive unless there is a point at which it says "No" to aberrant behavior, even if only to stop the relentless creep of incremental intrusion upon that which the majority defines as acceptable and decent.
    I think you are going to find that the majority does not define your position "acceptable and decent", you are quite out of touch with the times, society has been getting more tolerant for years, it is only a matter of time before full LGBT equality exists and only random wackos will have issues with them, just as what with happened with race.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    So what would marriage without the contractual obligations be? Shacking up?
    What marriage is to people is personal and so is what they expect out of it. If they want terms written in contract that is their choice and if they don't that is again their choice. They can treat their relationships and form whatever obligations they want on each other as they please. As long as both parties agree to the terms I have no reason to object.

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    Re: New York appeals court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It is unconstitutional because it prevents a state from defining marriage however it wants to, which is constitutional.
    Unless the state violates the federal constitution, which SSM bans do.
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