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    Re: 2016: Obama's America producer, Dinesh D'Souza, resigns presidency of King's Coll

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Why should we support an anti-colonialist like Obama?
    Why the hell should we support colonialism? You know what another way to say "colonialist" is?

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    Re: 2016: Obama's America producer, Dinesh D'Souza, resigns presidency of King's Coll

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why the hell should we support colonialism? You know what another way to say "colonialist" is?

    "Guy who thinks we should invade other peoples' territory and take their stuff."
    Economic and military Hegemonic influence is so much better. *thumbs up*
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    Re: 2016: Obama's America producer, Dinesh D'Souza, resigns presidency of King's Coll

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Why should we support an anti-colonialist like Obama?
    Being a "Conservative" one would think you would be all against colonialism. After all it gets away from the "Conservative" ideology. It says that it is perfectly fine for us to spread out troops out across the world and to spend enormous amounts of money to support these colonies, or what I like to refer to as occupations.

    Conservatives are so full of **** they don't even know what they are suppose to believe anymore. Hell, I'm more of a conservative than many self-proclaimed cons on here, and I consider myself a socialist. I'm all for having an isolationist view on foreign policy. I'm for reduction in overall military spending, while boosting our naval spending. I'm all for decreasing taxes, but increasing spending on infrastructure, investments in research, and other things that would benefit this country here, and not overseas. These use to be conservative ideas..

    Most people on this forum are what I would consider Neo-cons, straight out of the Dick Cheney mold.
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    Re: 2016: Obama's America producer, Dinesh D'Souza, resigns presidency of King's Coll

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The film proposes that an absentee father also managed to be Obama's primary influence in life. It also makes the assumption that taking a class with a professor means you share their beliefs. The film also claimed that Obama had the bust of Winston Churchill removed from the White House because he didn't like Churchill's beliefs. It's still in the same spot.

    If they're willing to outright fabricate things, why would you accept any conclusion from the film? If you'd really been waiting to hear an argument along this line, you would have gone and checked it out for yourself.
    You either didn't see the movie and chose to ignore many of the key points.

    It clearly makes the point that O did not need to have a prolonged relationship with his father. O's mother revered his father and his anticolonialism (and by proxy anti-american) philosophy. This was in spite of his fathers daliances. Mom sent him "back" to Hawaii (where per D'Souza believes he was born) to live with his paternal grandparents who also advocated the anti-colonialism philosophy of O's father.

    I assume that what you refer to in "taking a class with a professor" was his association with "Frank" whom O mentions many times in "Dreams of My Father." He cleaverly does not mention "Franks" last name apparently thinking he might want to run for President some day. He is Frank Marshall Davis, a card carrying communist that was investigated by the House Unamerican Activities Committee during the cold war. Frank was involved in O's "education" in his formative years - 12-18 y.o. He was not merely a "professor."

    The issue regarding Churchill's bust is well covered above. Even Obama has owned up to the fact that the bust in question was moved and subsequently returned to GB. If you are going to defend your guy, you should at least keep up with [B]hisl[Bl] current version of the story.

    The beauty of D'Souza's film is that the facts are backed up by Obama's own words.

    I believe that makes you 0/3 in your arguments. Maybe you should do some research.
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    Re: 2016: Obama's America producer, Dinesh D'Souza, resigns presidency of King's Coll

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The film also claimed that Obama had the bust of Winston Churchill removed from the White House because he didn't like Churchill's beliefs. It's still in the same spot.

    If they're willing to outright fabricate things, why would you accept any conclusion from the film? If you'd really been waiting to hear an argument along this line, you would have gone and checked it out for yourself.
    More on the bust:
    British Embassy Confirms Krauthammer Right, White House Wrong: Churchill Bust Returned in 2009

    by Noah Rothman | 5:32 pm, July 27th, 2012
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    The British Embassy has confirmed that Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer was correct when he wrote that a bust of Winston Churchill was removed from the White House when Barack Obama took office. An Obama administration spokesperson slammed Krauthammer on Friday in a fact-checking post on the White House’s blog which claimed the columnist was advancing a “ridiculous” rumor that the Obama administration had ever returned the bust. However, the British Embassy has confirmed that it did receive the original bust in 2009 and it currently resides in the U.K. Ambassador’s residence. The White House is in possession of another copy of the Churchill bust which is currently located in the White House residency.
    That’s right, there are two.

    RELATED: White House Bashes Krauthammer For Printing ‘Ridiculous’ Rumor That Obama Returned Bust Of Churchill

    White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer attacked Krauthammer on Friday for advancing a “patently false” rumor that the White House had ever returned a bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Pfeiffer produced a copy of the President and U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron observing the bust in the White House as proof. In fact, Krauthammer was factually correct.

    On Friday, The British Embassy confirmed to Mediate that they did receive the bust of Churchill which was loaned to the Bush White House in 2009. The bust on display in the White House’s residency is a copy:

    The bust of Sir Winston Churchill, by Sir Jacob Epstein, was lent to the George W Bush administration from the UK’s Government Art Collection, for the duration of the Presidency. When that administration came to an end so did the loan; the bust now resides in the British Ambassador’s Residence in Washington DC. The White House collection has its own Epstein bust of Churchill, which President Obama showed to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House in March.

    The Embassy concluded by noting that the U.K. and the U.S. share a close and special relationship and the “Churchill Bust story is a silly diversion – let’s get on and focus on seeing who wins most medals in the Olympics.”


    I stand corrected - not moved to GB but the British Embassy, nontheless, "moved."
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    Re: 2016: Obama's America producer, Dinesh D'Souza, resigns presidency of King's Coll

    I think I have figured out why the charge of "anti-colonialist" is being used by many on the right - including D'Souza.


    First it comes from a basic ignorance of history. My saying the majority of those in the American right are ignorant of history is bolstered by their support of so many proposals that have been shown to be failures in the past, yet they continue to make the claim, "This time will be different"

    Second, and I think this is the real reason: Before the American Revolution, there were the Thirteen Colonies, the people who lived in them were colonists - therefore, an "anti-colonialist" is someone who is against those early Americans. It is such a simple equation that it must be how many of those using the term are thinking. Nevermind the reality that those early Americans were quite anti-colonialist themselves, after all they did revolt against their colonial master.


    On the matter of the Winston Churchill bust and the silliness perpetrated by the righties about how it showed Obama hated Winston Churchill and wanted his bust out of the White House because of that hatred (RenoCon- in the future provide links please - British Embassy Confirms Krauthammer Right, White House Wrong: Churchill Bust Returned in 2009 | Mediaite)

    Yes, the White House press guy was wrong is speaking of the bust that had been loaned to President Bush, however, he was wrong because he thought the Churchill bust he saw everyday was the one in question. He had not been told that there were two Churchill busts as is noted in the quotes posted by RenoCon

    Simply another example of a fake controversy being used by D'Souza to "prove" the President hated Churchill
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