Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 90

Thread: 41 percent of adults don't work

  1. #61
    User EnigmaIncognito's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Last Seen
    11-24-12 @ 05:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    58

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by melons View Post
    Why does anyone have to prove that the entire populace of unemployed are all lazy moochers?
    Because I'm very skeptical of anything that doesn't provide reliable and objective evidence to back up it's claims.

    If you have one cheater in the system then it's worth doing something about. Are you saying that if only 10 percent are lazy moochers, then it's okay that they are....but if it were 70 percent you would feel different? Whatever percentage of cheating in the welfare there is.....it affects the rest of us , not just the working class but the deserving welfare recipients as well. The percentage has nothing to do with whether it is right or not.
    Viktyr made a good argument for why it's inefficient to worry over minimal losses when attempting to fix those losses would result in only greater loss in of itself.

    As you also mentioned "With no idea how much fraud there is out there, you can't make that kind of educated assumption. First you have to know how much your losing to know if it is worthwhile and that is my point."; so in this case it would be essential to find the statistical data relevant for our debate. If the amount of welfare fraud is minimal though, then it can be excusable for pragmatic reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's your hasty, unfair overgeneralization, not mine.
    Uh, no, you're the one who made the assertion that a majority of 20-somethings "play the system, breed for benefits, and sling dope" (paraphrasing here). If you're going to assert that many 20-somethings are staying unemployed to cheat the system then the burden of proof to back up your claim rests upon you.

  2. #62
    Advisor melons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Seen
    12-23-12 @ 09:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    376

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaIncognito View Post
    Because I'm very skeptical of anything that doesn't provide reliable and objective evidence to back up it's claims.



    Viktyr made a good argument for why it's inefficient to worry over minimal losses when attempting to fix those losses would result in only greater loss in of itself.

    As you also mentioned "With no idea how much fraud there is out there, you can't make that kind of educated assumption. First you have to know how much your losing to know if it is worthwhile and that is my point."; so in this case it would be essential to find the statistical data relevant for our debate. If the amount of welfare fraud is minimal though, then it can be excusable for pragmatic reasons.



    Uh, no, you're the one who made the assertion that a majority of 20-somethings "play the system, breed for benefits, and sling dope" (paraphrasing here). If you're going to assert that many 20-somethings are staying unemployed to cheat the system then the burden of proof to back up your claim rests upon you.
    Well, I would say that if there was as much fraud in medicare and medicaid as has been discovered in recent years, then it would make perfect sense that there is just as much fraud in welfare, HUD housing and food stamps.

    Not sure how you could get statistical data unless you obviously began to investigate.

  3. #63
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    I am 66, retired, enjoying it. The wife and I are spending our money, and I hope we are contributing to the economy. Seems to me that if the govt encouraged more people to retire (those that can, but haven't), it would improve employment chances for the younger ones among us.
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  4. #64
    Sage
    Higgins86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    England
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,253

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    This problem isnt just Americas its the whole of the Western word. People brought up their kids with this belief that they were special and they could do whatever they wanted to, then they went to University and got an average degree. After Uni they joined the market place ecpecting that 50k-80k job with benefits because thats what they deserve with their degree, when it doesnt work out they refuse to work anything they deem "below them" and walk around blaming everyone else. Example when I moved to the US I took a part time job that had been open for months ( no one wanted it) worked hard as well as working a second job landscaping, after 6 months my employee liked my work ethic and offered me full time with benefits. That job could of been anyones but no one was willing to put in the dirty work instead they wanted it handed to them on a plate.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

  5. #65
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,703

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    You forgot to include dead people They ain't working any more either. They just lay around doing nothing, lazy sonsabitches.
    of course Obama values them for their votes

  6. #66
    Sage
    Erod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:00 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,072

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course Obama values them for their votes
    Yep, those dead people are certainly not lazy enough to stop from voting Democrat.

  7. #67
    ThunderCougarFalconBird
    roughdraft274's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    11,080

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Nice spin. It also includes a TON of people who have given up or are quite comfortable with that steady government check and food stamps.

    41 percent is a TON of people, chief. And the CNN article doesn't agree with your take at all.
    If you want to talk about the people getting government checks, then start a thread with that number and statistics. You've given the statistic that includes stay at home moms and parents etc. ****, the republican candidate is in that category. Think about it before you make a thread, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

  8. #68
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,703

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yep, those dead people are certainly not lazy enough to stop from voting Democrat.
    what is that joke-what does Osama Bin Laden, Abraham Lincoln and John wayne Gacey all have in common?

    they are all registered to vote in Cook County

  9. #69
    Sage
    The Giant Noodle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northern Illinois
    Last Seen
    11-03-14 @ 05:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,333

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    41 percent of adults don't work
    Yeah they are called State union workers Welcome to Instant Rimshot
    CORPORATE GREED AND UNION GREED
    DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
    DESTROYING THE BEST OF AMERICA ONE DAY AT A TIME

    This is the worst kind of discrimination. The kind against ME! ~ Bender

  10. #70
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 02:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    This is asinine. How can you lump housewives, retirees, and students in with welfare bums?


    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The other unemployment rate - Oct. 18, 2012







    So four out of every 10 people you pass in the mall or see walking down the street don't work, for whatever reason, and do not personally generate an income, other than social security or welfare.

    And of those who actually want a job, 13.5% of them are unemployed.

Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •