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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The constant lie of Obama and Democrats is that active military was in the "47%" Romney stated. Active military are not counted as unemployed or in that "47%," just like any other federal employee is not counted.
    You are right they are not counted as unemployed they are counted as not in the workforce.

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    Who is not in the labor force?Persons not in the labor force are those who are not classified as employed or unemployed during the survey reference week.

    Labor force measures are based on the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years old and over. (Excluded are persons under 16 years of age, all persons confined to institutions such as nursing homes and prisons, and persons on active duty in the Armed Forces.) The labor force is made up of the employed and the unemployed. The remainder—those who have no job and are not looking for one—are counted as "not in the labor force." Many who are not in the labor force are going to school or are retired. Family responsibilities keep others out of the labor force.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    When did active duty military become unemployed/not working?
    since bls stats started.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

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    21,000,000 are permanently disabled
    I would take a look into that number. There is about 150 million people who can get on permanent disability.

    I find it hard to believe that 13% of the working age population are disabled.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I would take a look into that number. There is about 150 million people who can get on permanent disability.

    I find it hard to believe that 13% of the working age population are disabled.
    http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p70-131.pdf

    I think around page 5 there is a comprehensive chart.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I would take a look into that number. There is about 150 million people who can get on permanent disability.

    I find it hard to believe that 13% of the working age population are disabled.
    That's almost half the country. Are you stark raving mad?
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The other unemployment rate - Oct. 18, 2012





    So four out of every 10 people you pass in the mall or see walking down the street don't work, for whatever reason, and do not personally generate an income, other than social security or welfare.

    And of those who actually want a job, 13.5% of them are unemployed.
    Wrong. Not everyone without a job is looking for a job... and not everyone not looking for a job is living on the government dole. I think you need to better understand the 33%....

    I, for one, am of the 33%.... I do not have job, nor do I collect any government money. I am an entrepreneur, with my own business. I have created 60 jobs in the past 3 years, but I do not have a job. I do not count in the job stats. I did have a job in 2008, but I never have looked for work since leaving that job. I am NOT a discouraged unemployed.

    In fact, you will find in the "new economy" the fastest growing segment is the one man consulting company. These people are not counted as employed nor are they necessarily looking for work. Most of them are more than happy to free-lance....

    People are awfully obsessed with jobs. The problem is that unemployment and job stats do not accurately reflect what is really going on in our economy.

    BTW... please explain your 13.5% number as it isn't apparent.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p70-131.pdf

    I think around page 5 there is a comprehensive chart.
    Yeah it is comprehensive, but it does not show that the numbers are any more credible.

    The number on disability has doubled since 1985. However in the same period life expectancy has increased by 4 years and the number working in hard labor has dropped. Still this is what has happened with social security benefits.


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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The constant lie of Obama and Democrats is that active military was in the "47%" Romney stated. Active military are not counted as unemployed or in that "47%," just like any other federal employee is not counted.
    The 47%, in the context first used, referred to people that did not pay federal income taxes, which would include most of the military, particularly those deployed. The 47% then became interchangeable with "other such deadbeats" in one of Romney's more embarrassing displays of diarrhea of the mouth.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    I guess the right-wing platform here on DP is "GET TO WORK, OLD PEOPLE!"


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The constant lie of Obama and Democrats is that active military was in the "47%" Romney stated. Active military are not counted as unemployed or in that "47%," just like any other federal employee is not counted.
    No, that's not what people said. If you're going to try and attack a point, at least understand what it is first.

    Deployed combat troops are in Romney's 47% because they don't pay federal income taxes. I'll stress this some more, just so you don't have this confusion ever again. "Deployed combat troops" and "active military" are not the same thing. I hope this helps.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So four out of every 10 people you pass in the mall or see walking down the street don't work, for whatever reason, and do not personally generate an income, other than social security or welfare.

    And of those who actually want a job, 13.5% of them are unemployed.
    So what?

    Perhaps I should first address the true intention of this thread: that you desire to paint the American populace as a bunch of lazy imbeciles who decline work in favor of leeching from the government, and that this mass of people are the result of the Obama administration, thus Obama is bad and your conservative beliefs are of more moral worth because the encourage personal responsibility / end welfare. No?

    But the idea of many people not working is not actually a problem for me, rather I think it almost a blessing. First let's address the basic logistics of why unemployed people can prove beneficial and productive. Firstly there's the matter of total amount of jobs compared to the number of people who have or are in need of work, but it can at least be assumed that all the people within these two categories value any (or at least some) line of work to make a living. Ideally, the greatest amount of jobs shouldn't be less than the population that values that work, else you get a remainder of people who can't work but want to. I should mention that I understand that job growth can increase; it isn't a static amount. However, under current economic conditions, it can slow done considerably, which results in stagnation that sever limits for a certain period of time. So in this slow condition, every possible job is of value for the populace that needs them, and the demand for more labor won't necessarily lead to an increase in job growth. Therefore it would be better for those that need jobs the most to actually get them, and that those that don't really need to work probably shouldn't. If we expected all those who don't work (and don't desire to), then there would be a severe increase of people desiring work, of which would be far greater than the amount of available jobs. This would result is a base number of people never being able to find work due to its scarcity, leaving them in troubled economic security, but meanwhile we'd have people already well off working for pay they don't need. This would result in a greater split of economic devastation for some, and overabundant wealth for others, which in of itself isn't exactly an ideal method for society. Now, if those that don't need to work don't do so then the job pool opens up opportunity for those in need, which itself carries a greater benefit for all.

    Since I mention those who don't need to work, I suppose I should focus a bit more on this point. The primary question is "who exactly doesn't need to work (and doesn't desire to work)"? Well the first answer I would give is those who are dependent on another thing for living. And no, I'm not talking about the welfare system (which by the way, is impossible to live off alone). I'm referring to such people; those serving in the military, stay at home parents who raise their children, students in college, the disabled, the elderly, people who live with friends/family but assist with upkeep of the home, prisoners, etc. All these kinds of people have legitimate reasons for not working, one of which is that their services are provided elsewhere, for the benefit of others. The stay at home mom not only keeps the house tidy and kids taken care of, but she does this so that her husband can concentrate on making an income.

    Another point I should add, is that jobs don't exist in a vacuum. People who do desire work but can't find it may be in that predicament for a variety of reasons: local job market is bad, businesses won't hire, available jobs are too far away or not within feasible transportation means, that don't have the natural skills for the job, and other extenuating circumstances.

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