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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Do I really have to do this for you?

    OK.

    59 percent of the people work, and 8 percent are looking for work. The rest don't want to work.

    So of the 67 percent of people who work or want to work, 13.5 percent of them are out of work.

    And thus, that is the effective unemployment rate according to the numbers presented in the CNN article.

    Or, you could just read it.
    But it's the same number of people under either formulation. So why is this method better, other than that it generates a more extreme-sounding number and so is easier for partisans to use to hype people up?

    IMO, using a percentage of the total population is more sensible because the population changes less dramatically from month to month than the number of people "working or unemployed but looking for work" at any given time.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Nice spin. It also includes a TON of people who have given up or are quite comfortable with that steady government check and food stamps.
    What to back that up with documentation or is it simply your opinion?

    Want to give us a dollar figure on what the net monthly income is for the average family of four living on "a steady government check and food stamps"?

    41 percent is a TON of people, chief. And the CNN article doesn't agree with your take at all.
    Far too many people are unemployed. Jobs damn sure aren't trickling down. Please define "doesn't want to work". I looked for the survey to determine the design but couldn't find it. How was "doesn't want to work" determined?










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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What to back that up with documentation or is it simply your opinion?

    Want to give us a dollar figure on what the net monthly income is for the average family of four living on "a steady government check and food stamps"?



    Far too many people are unemployed. Jobs damn sure aren't trickling down. Please define "doesn't want to work". I looked for the survey to determine the design but couldn't find it. How was "doesn't want to work" determined?

    I broke down the out of the labour force stats in Post #19. I got most of that from BLS. here

    Labor Force Characteristics (CPS)
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    I broke down the out of the labour force stats in Post #19. I got most of that from BLS. here

    Labor Force Characteristics (CPS)
    Great stuff, Jonsa! Thank you. It's going to take me a while to go through the data, but in a cursory glance it appears to me that "not wanting to work" may also be "wanting to work, but discouraged".

    A case in point. I have a friend who is 48. He was employed as a reporter for a major daily. Newspaper jobs now being in the crapper, he was rifted. He's been without employment for well over a year. The closest promising job offer he's had has been in Butt Whistle, Montana or some such place. He and his wife and family live in the SE U.S. She is still employed. They are making it, but just barely. Should they give up the house and her job and move the family to Butt Whistle? That would be stupid, not to mention costly. So what is he because he turned down the Butt Whistle job? Our friend Erod would have us think the poor bastard is living the good life and refusing employment. I would consider him unemployed and discouraged.










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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The other unemployment rate - Oct. 18, 2012







    So four out of every 10 people you pass in the mall or see walking down the street don't work, for whatever reason, and do not personally generate an income, other than social security or welfare.

    And of those who actually want a job, 13.5% of them are unemployed.
    You forgot to include dead people They ain't working any more either. They just lay around doing nothing, lazy sonsabitches.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    There are 86,000,000 people who are out of the labour force (it is unfortunate they are labelled "dont want work"/

    Of that approximately 38,000,000 are retirees.
    13.000,000 are students
    5,174,000 are stay at home parents
    1,460,000 are active duty military
    2,300,000 are in prison
    21,000,000 are permanently disabled
    which totals 80,934,000

    Leaving 5,066,000 able to work but not.

    All of a sudden, when looking at the real picture and actually examining what out of hte labour force really means, the number is much less than doom an gloom

    Its much less than righty would have you believe are leeching off their taxes and are too lazy to work.
    Oh dear what a way to blow up righty's narrative with actual analysis of the numbers.
    Good info.

    Personally, I wouldn't count active duty military as "don't want work". In fact, I'd say they most certainly are working.

    Not sure I'd count being in prison in these numbers, either, though I suppose they are out of the labor force technically.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The other unemployment rate - Oct. 18, 2012







    So four out of every 10 people you pass in the mall or see walking down the street don't work, for whatever reason, and do not personally generate an income, other than social security or welfare.

    And of those who actually want a job, 13.5% of them are unemployed.
    That includes the elderly - or stay at home parents - or the extremely ill.

    Something wrong with retirement, stay at home parents or being seriously ill? . . and the other mentioned things . .. so on, so forth.

    So odds are - it's not 4/10 people you walk by - odds are a lot of people not in the workforce are elsewhere; home, hospices, prison, on a yacht
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Good info.

    Personally, I wouldn't count active duty military as "don't want work". In fact, I'd say they most certainly are working.

    Not sure I'd count being in prison in these numbers, either, though I suppose they are out of the labor force technically.
    Yes - active duty means what it says; you have a position that you fill and you're paid for it. . .it's heavy employment.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Good info.

    Personally, I wouldn't count active duty military as "don't want work". In fact, I'd say they most certainly are working.

    Not sure I'd count being in prison in these numbers, either, though I suppose they are out of the labor force technically.
    Just using the BLS definitions. I have to agree about the military tho.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Just using the BLS definitions. I have to agree about the military tho.
    They're idiots- apparently. LOL - active duty means you're actively on duty . . . you're not active duty if you're not actively on duty. Makes me wonder about their reasoning throughout.
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