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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Um, I said that private sector jobs were being continuously added and that the unemployment rate was dropping. Both of those things are true, so I'm sure what you think "isn't happening" and what you think your link proves.

    U.S. Economy Added 162,000 Private-Sector Jobs in September, According to ADP National Employment Report | ADP
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Retires, and those able bodied who stay at home by choice for various reasons should not be included in the unemployed numbers.

    With that said....as far as those who have given up, taken part time work....this method of counting th ejobless occured in previous administrations too....don't blame Obama on the way the jobless numbers are factored.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Um, I said that private sector jobs were being continuously added and that the unemployment rate was dropping. Both of those things are true, so I'm sure what you think "isn't happening" and what you think you're link proves.

    U.S. Economy Added 162,000 Private-Sector Jobs in September, According to ADP National Employment Report | ADP
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
    Sadly....Too many people are only willing to listen to doom and gloom and do not want to hear anything positive.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    5 + 2.8 = 13.5??
    Do I really have to do this for you?

    OK.

    59 percent of the people work, and 8 percent are looking for work. The rest don't want to work.

    So of the 67 percent of people who work or want to work, 13.5 percent of them are out of work.

    And thus, that is the effective unemployment rate according to the numbers presented in the CNN article.

    Or, you could just read it.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What meaning am I supposed to get from this? If the 33% of people who don't work and don't want jobs is mostly students, retirees and stay at home parents, then who cares? If you're a student, then learning is your job. If you're retired, then you've already worked and are now (hopefully) enjoying life. If you are staying at home, then you have made a decision - probably with your partner - that this is best decision for your family. I don't see any of that as problem and if you do, then you're making value judgments that you haven't yet defended which is why I don't know what point you're trying to make.

    As far other 7%, hopefully they'll be able to find work since unemployment is decreasing and the private sector is continuously adding jobs.
    Yes, *if*. That's the critical aspect that the OP's graphic doesn't address adequately enough. If most are people who don't need a job, and thus don't want one, that's one thing. And no doubt that is indeed a large part of that group, I'm sure, we just aren't told how large.

    On the flip side, there are no doubt people who simply aren't working because they are lazy and don't want to. Where is the line? Huge difference in personal motivation that affects what the chart purports to say. Maybe "need" should have been separated from "want".



    Quote Originally Posted by straykatz View Post
    Retires, and those able bodied who stay at home by choice for various reasons should not be included in the unemployed numbers.

    With that said....as far as those who have given up, taken part time work....this method of counting th ejobless occured in previous administrations too....don't blame Obama on the way the jobless numbers are factored.
    I think of it as more a societal mindset, not a Presidential thing.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Nice spin.
    These two words alone confirm the obvious fact that you're just using some random statistic you saw as an excuse to bash Obama, rather than actually trying to make any point about the state of the economy.

    It also includes a TON of people who have given up or are quite comfortable with that steady government check and food stamps.
    There are statistics that measure those things, which DON'T also include all the groups who aren't interested in working like retirees, students, and stay-at-home parents. Might I suggest that those would be more accurate for whatever point you are trying to make.

    41 percent is a TON of people, chief.
    If it includes people who aren't looking for jobs, then it doesn't really *matter* whether it's a ton of people, as it doesn't give you much useful information for your point.

    And the CNN article doesn't agree with your take at all.
    Swell. I really care what some random CNN journalist thinks. Do you have a rebuttal to the obvious point that as our country grows older, one should EXPECT the employment-to-population ratio to decline? And that maintaining the status quo actually means that the job outlook is improving?
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    These two words alone confirm the obvious fact that you're just using some random statistic you saw as an excuse to bash Obama, rather than actually trying to make any point about the state of the economy.



    There are statistics that measure those things, which DON'T also include all the groups who aren't interested in working like retirees, students, and stay-at-home parents. Might I suggest that those would be more accurate for whatever point you are trying to make.



    If it includes people who aren't looking for jobs, then it doesn't really *matter* whether it's a ton of people, as it doesn't give you much useful information for your point.



    Swell. I really care what some random CNN journalist thinks. Do you have a rebuttal to the obvious point that as our country grows older, one should EXPECT the employment-to-population ratio to decline? And that maintaining the status quo actually means that the job outlook is improving?
    Actually, this was not meant as a bash at Obama at all, but America in general. That nebulous 33 percent number is the real story here, because I genuinely believe that a scary percent of that is people happy on the government teet. That is the disturbing trend we're on.

    When welfare has jumped 32 percent in less than a half decade, that reflects the makeup of people, not just the economy.

    Welfare spending jumps 32% in four years - Washington Times

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Actually, this was not meant as a bash at Obama at all, but America in general. That nebulous 33 percent number is the real story here, because I genuinely believe that a scary percent of that is people happy on the government teet. That is the disturbing trend we're on.

    When welfare has jumped 32 percent in less than a half decade, that reflects the makeup of people, not just the economy.

    Welfare spending jumps 32% in four years - Washington Times
    All you're doing is making unsubstantiated value judgments on people. The fact is that people on welfare increased directly with increasing unemployment as the result of a failed economy. That you minimize that correlation and jump to "people just want to be on welfare" without anything to substantiate that jump is problematic, to say the least.

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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    There are 86,000,000 people who are out of the labour force (it is unfortunate they are labelled "dont want work"/

    Of that approximately 38,000,000 are retirees.
    13.000,000 are students
    5,174,000 are stay at home parents
    1,460,000 are active duty military
    2,300,000 are in prison
    21,000,000 are permanently disabled
    which totals 80,934,000

    Leaving 5,066,000 able to work but not.

    All of a sudden, when looking at the real picture and actually examining what out of hte labour force really means, the number is much less than doom an gloom

    Its much less than righty would have you believe are leeching off their taxes and are too lazy to work.
    Oh dear what a way to blow up righty's narrative with actual analysis of the numbers.
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    Re: 41 percent of adults don't work

    I was considering quitting my job and voting for Obama. I don't want to work any more either.
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