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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It would take too long to explain, and your head would likely explode, so I'm going to simply say this: Trust me, they are very different. :-)
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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The specific language employed.
    specifically what language allowed you to come to that conclusion
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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The gop house put in a bill to extend the bush tax cuts again...
    Obama has to veto it.
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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    The Democrats definitely have the upper hand in any negotiations over the fiscal cliff. The spending cuts are a brute instrument and certainly not the best way to enact them, but they hit Republican priorities a lot more than they hit Democratic priorities...they're largely aimed at the defense budget, and they completely exempt the three largest entitlements (social security, Medicare, Medicaid). Additionally, the tax increases will hit everyone, and supposedly the two parties agree that they don't want to hit the middle-class with tax hikes.

    The reason that Obama can credibly threaten this veto is because inaction won't hurt the Democrats nearly as bad (from a policy perspective) as it will hurt the Republicans.
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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama has to veto it.
    I was basically answering your question...but your correct he has to veto this...especially after all the rhetoric thats gone on back and forth about taxs.
    It may not make it to his desk, this is the third bill the house gop has put in to extend the bush tax cuts its never made it past the senate yet.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I was basically answering your question...but your correct he has to veto this...especially after all the rhetoric thats gone on back and forth about taxs.
    It may not make it to his desk, this is the third bill the house gop has put in to extend the bush tax cuts its never made it past the senate yet.
    That's because Reid won't even bring it to the floor. Can't vote on something if it's not on the agenda..


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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    That's because Reid won't even bring it to the floor. Can't vote on something if it's not on the agenda..


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    Cant say im mad at reid for doing that...but I think it was voted on up or down once and failed.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    specifically what language allowed you to come to that conclusion
    I'm not one who is "allowed to come to a conclusion", but one who is forced by simple logic and reason. I suppose others "allow" themselves to come to conclusions, but I've no idea what such evidence would look like.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I think you might be surprised at the reaction when some people's taxes go up, and other people's support checks go down.
    The 2% cut didn't add buckets to my check so I doubt a 2% increase is going to take buckets out of my check. Support checks are irrelevant. They can apply whatever change retroactively so it really does not matter if it gets resolved in December or in July for the overall economy. I am, however, willing to weather the storm if nothing getting resolved. Sacrifice generally involves some unpleasantness.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not one who is "allowed to come to a conclusion", but one who is forced by simple logic and reason. I suppose others "allow" themselves to come to conclusions, but I've no idea what such evidence would look like.
    appears you have nothing
    dismissed, until you come back with the specific language you insisted allowed you to come to your bogus conclusion
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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