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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I didn't even know that. You're right. It was introduced by Bob Dole and John McCain. Signed into law; immediately challenged and struck down. That's one SCOTUS decision I'd like to read. Damn it.
    Some information on the decision can be found at: http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal...ts/98-690a.pdf

    The actual decision can be found here: Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998)

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Some information on the decision can be found at: http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal...ts/98-690a.pdf

    The actual decision can be found here: Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998)
    Thank you. Great synopsis at Link #1. For others, here's the upshot:

    In closing, the Court emphasized three points. First, it expressed no opinion on the wisdom of the procedures authorized in the Line Item Veto Act. Second, the Court expressly declined to address an alternative basis that the district court opinion used to strike down the Act, that it violated the principle of separation of powers because it “impermissibly disrupted the balance of powers among the three branches of
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    I find it's primary reason, bolded above, to be questionable. But that's probably why I wouldn't survive the hearings.
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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    This is actually pretty simple here...

    If Obama win's, then he can stand on the desk claiming the American People Have Spoken and veto it without much worry and ride the eleciton momentum into demonizing the Republicans for "Causing" the fiscal cliff.

    If Obama loses, then he has nothing to lose with basically going "I'll veto it unless...". He'll no longer be running for reelection so there's no worry that it'll hurt his chances to remain in office, so he can basically stick to his guns and go "Either you go my way, or you all will have to deal with this after the new year and after they already are in effect".

    This is one of those "Win/Win" situations for Obama as long as the one thing he doesn't care about necessarily is his short term personal image (which could take a hit if he does what I suggested in the "losses" example).

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Aren't the Bush tax cuts expiring anyway? Wouldn't that give them a tax increase?

    The gop house put in a bill to extend the bush tax cuts again...

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I find it's primary reason, bolded above, to be questionable. But that's probably why I wouldn't survive the hearings.
    Although the bolded wording might be strong, the line item veto would materially impact the balance of power between the Legislative and Executive Branches. The former enjoys great leverage from incorporating myriad items into legislation that either has to be accepted or rejected as a whole. Under the line item veto, that leverage would disappear, as the President could selectively remove items that might otherwise have survived if the President had to veto the entire bill to kill those items.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    I believe technically the line item veto was challenged twice. The first challenge was thrown out of court because it had not yet been used so the people did not have standing, and the second challenge won once it was used.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Regardless of the politics, I hope we go over the "fiscal cliff". Maybe, just maybe that will start to wake up the vast majority of American citizens who should have been preparing to storm Washington DC with pitchforks and torches for decades now.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Regardless of the politics, I hope we go over the "fiscal cliff". Maybe, just maybe that will start to wake up the vast majority of American citizens who should have been preparing to storm Washington DC with pitchforks and torches for decades now.
    LOL. While I agree that we should go over the cliff, I don't think it will be nearly as disruptive as the phrase implies.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Regardless of the politics, I hope we go over the "fiscal cliff". Maybe, just maybe that will start to wake up the vast majority of American citizens who should have been preparing to storm Washington DC with pitchforks and torches for decades now.
    That sounds like a HS social studies student, or Taliban.

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    Re: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That sounds like a HS social studies student, or Taliban.
    why is it not instead the response of someone who wants government to be fiscally responsible
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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