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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    PeteEU has given a lot of misinformation about the French school system suggesting that they end at 5-6 and not mentioning the 2 hour break, so he can defend his point. This is how the French school system actually work.

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    The school day in France typically runs from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m., with a half day on Saturday, although students do not attend school on Wednesday or Sunday. Lunch is a two-hour break for public school students. Students usually attend school from ages 6 to 18. The average number of students per class is 23. Uniforms are not required, but religious dress of any kind is banned. The school year for this country in the northern hemisphere stretches from August to June, and is divided into four seven-week terms, with one to two weeks of vacation in between.

    Read more: School Years around the World — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/school-years.html#ixzz29wtRL8V
    So in fact French students have about 28 hours per week. American students (not in Saudi Arabia) have normally 30-35 hours per week, and they do 1-2 hours of homework each day. Banning homework will be just as beneficial as the 75% tax rate.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    hell of a strategy to get ahead: do less work
    But it's the right answer. Working less, but better is an idea a famous American proved to work.

    “Now we know from our experience in changing from six to five days and back again that we can get at least as great production in five days as we can in six… Just as the eight hour day opened our way to prosperity, so the five day week will open our way to a still greater prosperity.” — Henry Ford

    Robbing kids of their play time by insisting on more and more homework and longer school hours is counter-productive.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Robbing kids of their play time by insisting on more and more homework and longer school hours is counter-productive.
    Working too little is counter-productive too, and it makes kids lazy which is not a good way to prepare them for adulthood.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    As the mother of a 13 year old child with dyslexia - I understand the need for homework but I wish it were geared more toward learning than toward writing. I know that might not make much sense to people who haven't dealt with this learning disability and it took me many years to figure it out.

    When he was little, I could make him write his spelling words ten times each every day. He failed almost every spelling test he took. Exasperated and really wanting an answer for my child (because I knew he wasn't dumb, he could do more with electronics that I could dream up) - I changed the way he studied spelling words. We studied out loud every night. On the final night I had him write them once each. He started making A's.

    I have worked on my system with him for many years. I spend lots of time with him. I do all of his written homework for him. He studies verbally. He makes straight A's. We conquered his problem. He doesn't learn by writing. For a person with dyslexia, writing is much more labored. The brain thinks differently to get the letters on the page. He doesn't learn from writing. So I wish that there was no written homework, at least for my child. It is a wasted thing for him. He learns his material and aces his test without my assistance at school all the time. So I know that it works.

    A child with a learning disability can spent countless hours (my child used to spend three to four hours each night , every night) doing homework that is not helping the child at all. That is a waste of time. But no homework at all would not allow the parents a good way to be a part of what the child is learning and I think we all should be a part of that in our children's lives.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Working too little is counter-productive too, and it makes kids lazy which is not a good way to prepare them for adulthood.
    Of course, it just appears that the current trend appears to have been to pile more and more work upon schoolkids, more and more tests, and yet educational standards have declined. It would appear the law of diminishing returns is at work in the modern educational systems.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    But it's the right answer. Working less, but better is an idea a famous American proved to work.

    “Now we know from our experience in changing from six to five days and back again that we can get at least as great production in five days as we can in six… Just as the eight hour day opened our way to prosperity, so the five day week will open our way to a still greater prosperity.” — Henry Ford

    Robbing kids of their play time by insisting on more and more homework and longer school hours is counter-productive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Working too little is counter-productive too, and it makes kids lazy which is not a good way to prepare them for adulthood.
    If you were able to graph the results of work vs play you'd get a curve of some sort, not a straight line. Yes, we need work, and yes we also need play time. There's a balance in there somewhere.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If you were able to graph the results of work vs play you'd get a curve of some sort, not a straight line. Yes, we need work, and yes we also need play time. There's a balance in there somewhere.
    Yes, quite. It's just that I tend towards the opinion that the current balance in many countries is towards too much work and too little leisure. Free time is good for the worker and their pursuit of happiness; improved productivity that comes from a relaxed worker is good for the employer; and more leisure time is good for the economy as consumers spend more money in free time than they do in work time.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, quite. It's just that I tend towards the opinion that the current balance in many countries is towards too much work and too little leisure. Free time is good for the worker and their pursuit of happiness; improved productivity that comes from a relaxed worker is good for the employer; and more leisure time is good for the economy as consumers spend more money in free time than they do in work time.
    Asian students are topping the list and are taking over many large industries formerly owned and controlled by Americans and Europeans. This is not because they are having more 'leisure time', however you want to define it, but because they are working harder and doing their homework.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Asian students are topping the list and are taking over many large industries formerly owned and controlled by Americans and Europeans. This is not because they are having more 'leisure time', however you want to define it, but because they are working harder and doing their homework.
    Asia also has a rather boisterous industry in pornography of the bizarre, so all that stress to succeed does come at a cost.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Asia also has a rather boisterous industry in pornography of the bizarre, so all that stress to succeed does come at a cost.
    Yes, hard work often does lead to stress but a little research will demonstrate that there are far fewer Asians in the jails and penitentiaries, taking demographics into account, then there are Caucasians, Blacks or Latinos..

    Too much idle time can lead to stress as well, and bizarre behaviour.

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