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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    I really don't know what to write. Is this even real? Are you freaking kidding me?

    Hollande wants to punish kids for having involved parents out of "fairness"?

    So is he going to ban parenting next? It's really no more absurd than banning homework.
    This sounds like Euro-Socialism to me, and the Germans tried something like this.

    The Germans tried to dumb down the school system in a lot of states in an effort to level the playing field. Bavaria didn't partake in the stupidity.

    The result?
    Well off parents, concerned parents didn't let their kids get away with a third rate education.

    Instead of narrowing the gap... it made it wider!!! BLAMO!!!

    Typical Lib-Socialists... they get the exact opposite result from their hare brained schemes as desired.

    The same will result in France.
    It's how Socialists develop a voter base... generate ignorance.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    French children are in school longer hours than most countries. Their daily school time is at minimum.. some even more.. from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm on a week day. Burnout rates are quite high according to many.. just saying. They are also looking into expanding number of days (less vacation).

    On top of that the quality of teachers is extremely high, since bad teachers are actually kicked out.. I know shock horror.

    The French higher education system is also extremely harsh when compared to other countries.. longer hours, more exams, higher requirements and so on.
    wait they say they go to school 4 days a week...we here go 5 days a week and for us almost the same amount of hrs....HS here is from 7:55 to 3:00 5 days a week....we have very high requirements as a top Charter and teachers in our charter also get thrown out...they have no tenure.....and the school runs by its rules not the district rules being it is a charter. I have never heard of French schools being so hard....if anything the opposite. Homework in our school has shown to be beneficial....that is if the kids do it....when the kids dont they fall behind...stopping homework because of those that dont do it seems to me the wrong way to go...why not so what our school does and make tutoring available for all those kids that need it after school. Doing HW does not make kids stupid it makes them smarter.....and readies them for college....

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This sounds like Euro-Socialism to me, and the Germans tried something like this.

    The Germans tried to dumb down the school system in a lot of states in an effort to level the playing field. Bavaria didn't partake in the stupidity.

    The result?
    Well off parents, concerned parents didn't let their kids get away with a third rate education.

    Instead of narrowing the gap... it made it wider!!! BLAMO!!!

    Typical Lib-Socialists... they get the exact opposite result from their hare brained schemes as desired.

    The same will result in France.
    It's how Socialists develop a voter base... generate ignorance.
    its like what they did here when schools were geared more to boys and the boys were excelling in school and the girls were falling far behind....so they changed the way of teaching to get the girls back up to passing and now we have girls excelling and boys falling behind.....with more girls making it into college.....schools for the boys were geared towards the way boys learned....with lots of hands on and moving around....they found that girls did better when sitting and so they changed it to suit the girls....with this change the boys fell back and to this day they teach to the girls way/advantage....some schools have gone ahead and segregated girl from boys in classrooms with girls doing desk work and boys being able to move about ,sit on the floor and have hands on learning and they have found that the students have excelled in both circumstances....our education needs a new way of doing things in so many ways....

    and Frances way is not going to change a thing....those kids that want to study will and those that never did won't....the parents that were engaged before will continue to do so and the ones that didn't will continue not to. The problem is not with the HW...the problem is with the parents...and maybe the lack of support from the teachers and schools.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicaladdict View Post
    wait they say they go to school 4 days a week...we here go 5 days a week and for us almost the same amount of hrs....HS here is from 7:55 to 3:00 5 days a week....we have very high requirements as a top Charter and teachers in our charter also get thrown out...they have no tenure.....and the school runs by its rules not the district rules being it is a charter. I have never heard of French schools being so hard....if anything the opposite. Homework in our school has shown to be beneficial....that is if the kids do it....when the kids dont they fall behind...stopping homework because of those that dont do it seems to me the wrong way to go...why not so what our school does and make tutoring available for all those kids that need it after school. Doing HW does not make kids stupid it makes them smarter.....and readies them for college....
    Talking to French students who have experienced education over here, they say our school is much easier, gives far less homework, shorter hours, and the teachers care. I had to write an an essay in french about this topic, and the points made are stress, and strain on family relations, along with recent studies that say homework doesn't improve grades.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Talking to French students who have experienced education over here, they say our school is much easier, gives far less homework, shorter hours, and the teachers care. I had to write an an essay in french about this topic, and the points made are stress, and strain on family relations, along with recent studies that say homework doesn't improve grades.
    how about sharing a cite
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how about sharing a cite
    Currently everything know about the studies is from here. It says inconclusive evidence but I needed a third point anyway. Form my own experience that is the case homework doesn't improve my marks, I get everything done in class therefore no homework and I have a really high average.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Currently everything know about the studies is from here. It says inconclusive evidence but I needed a third point anyway. Form my own experience that is the case homework doesn't improve my marks, I get everything done in class therefore no homework and I have a really high average.
    thanks for the cite
    it offers nothing other than an unfounded opinion that homework does not improve academic performance
    i will stipulate that there are students who are high performers even without doing homework. but they are the exceptions
    for the student with average aptitude, i would believe those that deepened their understanding of a subject while doing homework would normally out-perform those who did not. and like you, i have no cite/research as basis for my opinion

    in reading that page this other aspect of the education reform jumped out at me:
    reducing the number of students held back each year
    excuse me?
    it is not as if those students have been held back arbitrarily
    but now they will be promoted even tho they were unable to learn the material in the last grade
    their subsequent teacher will have a classroom of students that are prepared to master the new work .... plus those who are not. because they were socially promoted
    this portion of his reform proposal may be more absurd than his elimination of homework
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    I'm for banning of homework. IMO... kids need more work at home FROM home. Teach them their 7-8 hours a day in school, let them go home and let them engage with their families. I'm for it.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    The supposed justification, that he is doing this promote some sort egalitarian goal, is not a part of the quoted text. For that reason I am somewhat skeptical of the article.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    As far as being less education in France... from the article:


    Despite the four-day school week, elementary school children in France spend more hours a year in school than many other developed countries because students are there all day, starting at 8:30 a.m. and ending at 4:30 p.m., with some kids staying even later.


    And Hollande wants to up it from 4 days a week to 4 1/2 days a week. So even more hours.
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