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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I told you that I gave the assumptions. He can question the assumptions if he wants. If you don't understand how the assumptions are related to the graph, don't comment.
    that was a dishonest post
    and dishonest posts deserve being questioned and criticized
    so i will continue to comment, especially when observing such dishonesty
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    No, what do you go to school for if they can't teach you what you need to learn in school, but you have to do it all by yourself at home?

    A homework ban is a good logical thing, it is like banning overtime for workers who do nothing at their regular work hours.
    while i appreciate your simile, it is without logic

    banning homework is like banning overtime despite the reality that regular hours are inadequate to accomplish the task
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that was a dishonest post
    and dishonest posts deserve being questioned and criticized
    so i will continue to comment, especially when observing such dishonesty
    No it is not dishonest. It is just you who came with a stupid comment. Maybe next you should try to think before you attack head first.

    I gave the assumptions. The graph is based on those assumptions. If you believe those assumptions are wrong, then I am willing to take that debate. But if you just state that I made it up, then you lack an understanding of how the assumptions are related to the graph.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    No it is not dishonest. It is just you who came with a stupid comment. Maybe next you should try to think before you attack head first.

    I gave the assumptions. The graph is based on those assumptions. If you believe those assumptions are wrong, then I am willing to take that debate. But if you state that I made it up, then you lack an understanding of how the assumptions are related to the graph.
    that graph was absolutely dishonest
    you first posted it without telling us it was your own fabrication
    and that it had absolutely no factual data to support it
    but i can understand - without any sympathy - why someone would whine when their dishonest posts are called out
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that graph was absolutely dishonest
    you first posted it without telling us it was your own fabrication
    and that it had absolutely no factual data to support it
    but i can understand - without any sympathy - why someone would whine when their dishonest posts are called out
    Actually if you had an understanding of the graph and what I was trying to tell, you would have understood that I created the chart.

    Why would I need to get a chart from somewhere when it is directly based on some assumptions? Use your brain. You are not calling anyone out, you are just making a fool out of yourself.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Now how many people can honestly say that there was never a school project assignment given where somebody didn't walk in with a project that looked like a professional did them?

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Actually if you had an understanding of the graph and what I was trying to tell, you would have understood that I created the chart.
    No, I didn't understand that at first, not until I asked.

    Why would I need to get a chart from somewhere when it is directly based on some assumptions? Use your brain. You are not calling anyone out, you are just making a fool out of yourself.
    Can you link to those specific assumptions? Your graph may well be consistent with them, but I would like to see if I can verify those assumptions. I do question the X axis and where the parabola peaks, and I'd like to know the values placed on the Y axis; to what do they refer.

    The question you didn't answer was, "What is your data set?" On what research did you base that graph? There seems to be a logical basis for it, one would expect returns on increasing study hours would plot a parabola, but I suspect it might look somewhat different to yours.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Can you link to those specific assumptions?
    You only need one...

    1) US must always beat France in anything.
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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, I didn't understand that at first, not until I asked.
    Well at least you understood when you asked.

    Can you link to those specific assumptions? Your graph may well be consistent with them, but I would like to see if I can verify those assumptions. I do question the X axis and where the parabola peaks, and I'd like to know the values placed on the Y axis; to what do they refer.

    The question you didn't answer was, "What is your data set?" On what research did you base that graph? There seems to be a logical basis for it, one would expect returns on increasing study hours would plot a parabola, but I suspect it might look somewhat different to yours.
    These are my assumptions. The numbers are derived, but only because it is impossible to find real numbers, as there are no studies on how much students learn with certain amount of hours. The reason I created it was to give a better representation of why it is good to reduce from 50 to 40 hours per week, but bad to reduce from 30 hours to 20 hours.

    You can propose changes to it if you want, and if I don't find it too unreasonable I will draw it, but I believe it is quite right. While students may get more tired, they can also get tired by doing non school related stuff such as staying up too late playing games and if classes are spread too far apart then it is easy to forget. Also, evidence show that students who work a lot of hours do better than students who don't, but the difference is not that large.

    Assumptions are below.
    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Sure I can do that. Let's say 100 is full learning speed. And this is how much you learn per hour on average.
    0H: 100
    10H: 90
    20H: 80
    30H: 70
    40H: 60
    50H: 50
    60H: 40
    70H: 30

    I will assume an average french student does 5 hours of homework each week. Although, I haven't taken it into account, but homework also helps students become more independent. Your boss or teacher are not always going to be around.

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    Re: French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Well at least you understood when you asked.
    Indeed. Had you been just trolling you would not have fessed up to having created the graph yourself. I accept that entirely.



    These are my assumptions. The numbers are derived, but only because it is impossible to find real numbers, as there are no studies on how much students learn with certain amount of hours. The reason I created it was to give a better representation of why it is good to reduce from 50 to 40 hours per week, but bad to reduce from 30 hours to 20 hours.

    You can propose changes to it if you want, and if I don't find it too unreasonable I will draw it, but I believe it is quite right. While students may get more tired, they can also get tired by doing non school related stuff such as staying up too late playing games and if classes are spread too far apart then it is easy to forget. Also, evidence show that students who work a lot of hours do better than students who don't, but the difference is not that large.

    Assumptions are below.
    Yes, I didn't understand that list of values; the declining percentages set against number of hours. What made you ascribe those values and how do they apply to the graph? What are those values on the Y axis, btw?

    I would challenge, as I did, the position of the peak of the parabola at 50+ hours. I might accept that at graduate, or even under-graduate level, not at age 15.

    Still, a useful and interesting exercise. I'm going to do some study and see if I can find research data to back up both your and my theories.
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