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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The AFA actively endorses legalized discrimination against gays as well as advocates the psuedo science of reparative therapy that often times has had disastrous results.. That is bullying.
    Wow, I didn't think the left could have taken this in a more ridiculous direction.

    So he wants to "bully" homosexuals because a group he has zero affiliation with believes in something you disagree with.

    You guys are obviously too ridiculous to bother with anymore. I'm just going to block you all.
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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Wow, I don't think the left could have taken this in a more ridiculous direction.
    The left probably couldn't have. You, on the other hand, have done a pretty fantastic job of it.

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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The bigger questions are why does it matter, and who cares?
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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Homosexuals shouldn't be bullied, but if the anti-bullying laws/promotions push moral beliefs regarding homosexuality (as in saying it's normal/healthy/moral etc). Then the AFA would have a valid point (which they probably don't here).
    Let's talk about those standards for a moment. Those first two can be objectively evaluated, can't they?

    Let's start with normal. What is normal? In this case, do we mean "average"? In which case, homosexuality is not average. It is a small minority. No one (save those who say that everyone is really bisexual) is claiming that homosexuals outnumber heterosexuals. By normal, do we mean "common"? In which case, homosexuality is quite normal. It being an Inuit abnormal? I bet you know more gays than Inuits. I certainly do. By normal, do we mean "the recommended sexual patterns for everyone"? No, of course not. So... what definition of normal are people attributing to homosexuality that isn't true? And clearly there is a certain amount of normalcy to homosexuality, given how it is not particularly rare, and it certainly seems to have been a part of humanity for the whole of recorded history. I'm not sure that there is an objective way to say that homosexuality isn't normal.

    So let's move on to healthy. What's unhealthy about homosexuality? Gays and lesbians form stable and loving relationships same as anyone else. Some point to the higher incidence of AIDS among gays, but would that be true if the first infection had been a heterosexual? HIV is becoming more and more common among heterosexuals. And certainly this worry didn't exist a century ago. How about the increased risk of transmission of STDs in anal sex? Well, plenty of heterosexual couples have anal sex. There's nothing intrinsically homosexual about it, and it obviously doesn't apply to gay women the same way. The only major source of harm to mental health that gays experience that heteros don't comes from the discrimination that gays face. So there's really nothing physically or mentally unhealthy about homosexuality. Again, objective assessment.

    So, any group that bases their positions off of scientific evidence HAS to say that homosexuality is normal and healthy. That's what the facts say. That's not a matter of opinion.

    So now let's talk morality. I can see two ways to examine morality. Either there is objective morality or there isn't. If there's objective, than we base it off of minimizing harm and possibly promoting satisfaction and happiness. (Even this standard is somewhat subjective, but no one has yet offered any better standard. Even these standards can be analyzed objectively, and this one is more in line with what more people think is or isn't moral than the contents of any specific or aggregation of holy books.) If you do that objectively, then again, you are forced to conclude that homosexuality is perfectly moral. No one is harmed by anyone else's sexuality (unless you count heteros who pursue gays who don't want them, but I don't think we want to delve into the scenario where it is immoral to turn down an offer of sex, do you?), and people following their orientation and being with the people they want to be with makes them happy. So it's moral. Unless, I suppose, there's an overwhelming need to increase the population, but that's a problem we don't have. For such a situation to be sufficient cause for homosexuality to be immoral, we would need to be in a position where literally every single childbearing person had to be making babies as fast as they could, and that's a scenario I don't really see happening. So homosexuality is perfectly moral if evaluation objectively.

    So let's assume that morality is subjective. Okay, it's subjective. Then everyone is entitled to their own position and no one's should hold more sway. In which case, the position of some religions that there's something immoral about homosexuality earns no special treatment over any moral stance that says otherwise. There is no special protection for the anti-gay position. If objective assessment isn't necessary, then an anti-bullying law or promotion can take whatever moral stance it wants. The only argument against their position is "I don't agree with that", which holds no sway, since every position is equally valid.

    So no, no valid point. Just refusal to listen to facts.
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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    I'm just going to block you all.
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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The bigger questions are why does it matter, and who cares?
    So you are for bullies and dont see it as a problem? Normally I would say only bullies dont care about it.. but I will give you the benefit of the doubt
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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    I'm not familiar with the AFA.

    If this thread doesn't devolve into baseless Christian-bashing (and maybe it already has), then I stand corrected. However, I am willing to bet that is the direction the thread takes... and that was the OP's intent to begin with.


    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The AFA actively endorses legalized discrimination against gays as well as advocates the psuedo science of reparative therapy that often times has had disastrous results.. That is bullying.

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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    People should really make the effort to read OP links before commenting. The American Family Assn. is simply lying about the purpose of "Mix it up at Lunch Day"



    Xian persecution is a fantasy which is promoted by groups and individuals who are afraid of societal changes they see looming over their self-perceived position at the head of society. They are afraid of true equality and interpret every attempt at elevating others to the same level they presently enjoy as nothing more than attacks on their own presumed right to lead. Our nation is not a zero-sum game - simply because others may claim equal rights and privileges does not mean you lose any - that is the definition of EQUAL

    What is Mix It Up at Lunch Day?
    Except for the lame anti-christian and power politics crap, I agree. This isn't new. Hell, they did the same thing in my elementary school every friday - and that was the 50s.

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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not familiar with the AFA.

    If this thread doesn't devolve into baseless Christian-bashing (and maybe it already has), then I stand corrected. However, I am willing to bet that is the direction the thread takes... and that was the OP's intent to begin with.

    You might wat to check the article in the OP before you hop on your Christians are so persecuted band wagon.

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    re: Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    You guys hate Christians. It's fine.

    I read it loud and clear through your posts calling them "****ing troglodytes", "ignorant", "bigoted", "douches", etc.

    Just because you hate them doesn't mean it isn't an attack.

    I'm not screaming "War on Christianity". I'm just calling you hateful.

    That's all.
    You (christians) drop your hateful ways and i'll drop mine. It's a win win

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