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Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

Surtr said:
Why wouldn't he? The SS was an elite military organization, they wanted to avoid persecution, and Castro wanted a better army. Makes sense to me. We did it, the British did it, the Russians did it, as did everyone else who could get their hands on nazi's willing to give out beneficial information and research.

Doesn't change anything, and it doesn't surprise me at all that anyone would hire the SS to help them unsuck their armed forces.
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I agree...

During Noriega's dictatorship *Panama*, he hired elite Israeli commandos

Nothing wrong with getting, the best of the litter
 
Manc Skipper said:
In the interest of truthfulness, Operation Paperclip was set up to remove and refresh the Nazi pasts of 104 German rocket scientists, including Werner Von Braun himself.
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The Army's CIC screened all applicants who wished to come to the United States under the 1948 Displaced Persons Act and later the 1953 Refugee Relief Act. U.S. authorities rejected thousands of visa applicants for suspected wartime activities. Between 1945 and 1955, 765 scientists, engineers, and technicians were brought to the United States under Paperclip and other similar programs. In contrast, 6,000 were taken to Russia. Eventually many German scientists became American citizen. For most this was a dream come true.

Many allegations of Nazi war criminals living in the US were made. According to a 1978 General Accounting Office report “Widespread Conspiracy To Obstruct Probes of Alleged Nazi War Criminals Not Supported By Available Evidence”. Allegations were made on 1982 that Federal agencies made a conscious effort to bring Nazi war criminals into this country and protect them once they were admitted. On May 1982, the House Committee on the Judiciary, requested the General Accounting Office to reopen its 1978 investigation to determine whether there were any U.S. Government programs to help Nazi war criminals and Axis collaborators immigrate to the United States and to conceal their backgrounds. The GAO informed Congress in June 1985 that it had found no evidence of any U.S. agency program to aid Nazis or Axis collaborators to immigrate to the United States.
 
Sandokan said:
The recruitment of German scientists began after the surrender of Germany in May of 1945. US President Harry Truman, convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, approved the Operation Paperclip which has the purpose of recruiting German scientists, in August 1945. Its main purpose was to benefit from German scientific knowledge, and at the same time avoid that Russia benefit from it.

Truman expressly excluded anyone found “to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a ‘nominal participant’ in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism.” The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency was in charge of conducting background investigations of the scientists. Based on these investigations the US government granted the scientists security clearance to work in the US. Despite the repeated and emphatic official statements that none of the Paperclip personnel were ardent Nazis or alleged war criminals, the critics assumed the Fascist nature of their past behavior and affirmed their guilt.
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EVERYBODY picked at the Nazi carcass.


Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis


Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis
by Martin A. Lee

"Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine ... unprejudiced mind ..."
That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg's SS unit performed "special duties," a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other "undesirables" during the Second World War.

Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs. Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies.

Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the Cold War – the CIA's use of an extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet Union.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Where were these people hiding for fourteen years before being hired?
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They may not have been hiding at all. The majority of German soldiers were just soldiers, not war criminals.
 
S.S. General Hans Kammler, an engineer that supervised the construction of concentration camps, was responsible for using slave labor into the rocket program. He was instrumental in the arrest of von Braun which has been working in the design of the V-2 rocket. Claren G. Lasby in his 1971 book “Paper Clip”, wrote: “In March 1944 the Gestapo learned that von Braun had expressed in public a defeatist attitude about Germany's chances in the war, and a desire to design a spaceship rather than a weapon. Voracious in their demand for control of the V-2 program, the S.S. leaders used this information, together with a trumped-up charge that von Braun had Communist leanings, to imprison him for two weeks.” The intervention of Major-General Dr Walter Robert Dornberger, leader of the V-2 rocker program and other projects at Peenemünde, was instrumental in obtaining von Braun's release, since without him the final design of the V-2 rocket will be in jeopardy. This allowed Kammler to take control of the secret weapon program.
 
Lots of former SS and Gestapo in East German security services and also the post-war French Foreign Legion.
 
Dr. Wernher von Braun, a German aeronautical engineer and rocket scientist, after he and his team were granted security clearance to work in the US, build the first long-range ballistic missiles, and the Jupiter rocket that launched the first American satellite into orbit. In 1960 von Braun became director of NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center and chief architect of the development of the Saturn V rocket that send US astronauts to the moon, fulfilling his life-long dream and establish America as a leader in space for decades to come.

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Members of the von Braun team reveal their Explorer Satellite in 1957. Standing left to right; Dr. William Mrazek, Dr. Walter Haeussermann and Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger. Seated; Dr. Eberhard Rees, General Medaris and Dr.Wernher von Braun.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
They may not have been hiding at all. The majority of German soldiers were just soldiers, not war criminals.
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No they were war criminals

They stole all the food from occupied Ukraine and shipped it back to Germany via train. Countless starved as a result. Many of them were children. When children as young as 6 would go to their barracks and beg for food, the German soldiers would give them bags of human feces and laugh at them. They blocked all possibilities to leave the cities and find food as well.
 
Sandokan said:
.This news would surprise the Liberals and Progressive that support and admire the Castroit regime, but it don’t surprise most Cubans. The released of German documents prove without a doubt the hire of Adolf Hitler's Waffen-SS officers and the efforts to hire German paratroopers and technicians.
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I'm sure glad the US government didn't hire any ex SS officials to fill high positions.


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Man if this isn't the biggest backfire of a rightwing OP, I don't know what is.

U.S. Recruited Nazis More Than Thought, Declassified Papers Show - NYTimes.com


After World War II, American counterintelligence recruited former Gestapo officers, SS veterans and Nazi collaborators to an even greater extent than had been previously disclosed and helped many of them avoid prosecution or looked the other way when they escaped, according to thousands of newly declassified documents.
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Sandokan said:
.This news would surprise the CONSERVATIVES that support and admire the COLD WARRIORS, but it don’t surprise most EDUCATED AMERICANS. The released of German documents prove without a doubt the hire of Adolf Hitler's Waffen-SS officers and the efforts to hire German paratroopers and technicians.
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Fixed it for you.
 
Bronson said:
No they were war criminals

They stole all the food from occupied Ukraine and shipped it back to Germany via train. Countless starved as a result. Many of them were children. When children as young as 6 would go to their barracks and beg for food, the German soldiers would give them bags of human feces and laugh at them. They blocked all possibilities to leave the cities and find food as well.
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Certainly not all German soldiers followed this behavior, though the excuse of "just following orders" is rather pathetic, at least some German soldiers could have been unaware or deluded as to the wishes of Hitler?
 
apdst said:
In the interest of clarity, the rocket scientists were used weren't members of the Shutzstaffel.

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No, but the rockets they produced were manufactured by slave labor - with their full knowledge - under appalling conditions. And those rockets managed to kill a lot of British and Dutch Civilians prior to the end of the war.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
They may not have been hiding at all. The majority of German soldiers were just soldiers, not war criminals.
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And some were not. Some enabled the war criminals to commit their crimes.
 
Sandokan said:
S.S. General Hans Kammler, an engineer that supervised the construction of concentration camps, was responsible for using slave labor into the rocket program. He was instrumental in the arrest of von Braun which has been working in the design of the V-2 rocket. Claren G. Lasby in his 1971 book “Paper Clip”, wrote: “In March 1944 the Gestapo learned that von Braun had expressed in public a defeatist attitude about Germany's chances in the war, and a desire to design a spaceship rather than a weapon. Voracious in their demand for control of the V-2 program, the S.S. leaders used this information, together with a trumped-up charge that von Braun had Communist leanings, to imprison him for two weeks.” The intervention of Major-General Dr Walter Robert Dornberger, leader of the V-2 rocker program and other projects at Peenemünde, was instrumental in obtaining von Braun's release, since without him the final design of the V-2 rocket will be in jeopardy. This allowed Kammler to take control of the secret weapon program.
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So Von Braun's 'disappointment' with the Nazi regime had nothing to do with their war crimes but rather that they were losing the war?
 
Wiggen said:
No, but the rockets they produced were manufactured by slave labor - with their full knowledge - under appalling conditions. And those rockets managed to kill a lot of British and Dutch Civilians prior to the end of the war.
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The rockets were built by slaves? Even if that were true, it would be totally idiotic to use slaves to build such a precision piece of equipment.
 
Wiggen said:
So Von Braun's 'disappointment' with the Nazi regime had nothing to do with their war crimes but rather that they were losing the war?
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Von Braun probably didn't have any idea that those war crimes were being committed.
 
head of joaquin said:
Psssst: he used slave Jewish laborers in his own lab, working them to death.

And of course von Braun is just the tip of the Cold War swatstika.

I nominate this thread the worst backfire for a conservative OP this year!


U.S. Recruited Nazis More Than Thought, Declassified Papers Show - NYTimes.com
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Did you even read that article before you posted it?

This part is especially interesting:

In chilling detail, the report also elaborates on the close working relationship between Nazi leaders and the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini,
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apdst said:
Did you even read that article before you posted it?

This part is especially interesting:
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And somehow that's supposed to help your argument that Cuba is bad for hiring ex Nazis, but the US isn't, even though the US did it more extensively? Oh, I get it, it's some kind of anti-muslim meme you're injecting into your anti-Cuban meme. Wow.

Focus, focus.

Honestly you're embarrassing yourself at this point. You really didn't know that the US protected thousands of ex Nazis in the Cold War did you? You're that uneducated on the topic, but you still posted the OP. Strikingly pitiful.
 
apdst said:
Did you even read that article before you posted it?

This part is especially interesting:
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What does the Grand Mufti of Jersualem have to do with the fact that slave laborers were worked to death in Von Bruan's own lab?
 
Wiggen said:
What does the Grand Mufti of Jersualem have to do with the fact that slave laborers were worked to death in Von Bruan's own lab?
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I can't wait to hear his incoherent response. This is going to be good! I bet it involves some weirdo connection between islam and democrats that he picked up from the tearful Glenn Beck at his whiteboard.
 
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