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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They weren't built with slave labor.
    although i dont normally agreed with wiggen, he is correct in this case of slave labor.

    on the V2, and well as make rifles, and other forms of arms.

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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

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    although i dont normally agreed with wiggen, he is correct in this case of slave labor.

    on the V2, and well as make rifles, and other forms of arms.
    Where's the docs to prove it?
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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where's the docs to prove it?

    docs to prove it?

    testimonials has been given many times, of the slave labor of the Reich.

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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    docs to prove it?

    testimonials has been given many times, of the slave labor of the Reich.
    Let's see them, then. So far, nothing has been posted that proves the contention that slaves actually assembled V-2 rockets.
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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see them, then. So far, nothing has been posted that proves the contention that slaves actually assembled V-2 rockets.
    I'm not sure what you are trying to argue against, the use of slave laborers are Peenemunde and other associated facilities, not to mention virtually all war industries of the Reich is extremely well documented.

    The system of exploiting slave labor to assemble missiles began in 1943. It expanded dramatically after the August 1943 bombings of Peenemünde by the British Royal Air Force. The widespread destruction led the Nazi leadership and the missile staff to move underground and use forced labor. The chosen site was a mine/fuel depot near the town of Nordhausen in Thüringen. Slave laborers from the Buchenwald concentration camp came to extend the tunnels for an underground V–2 factory called Mittelwerk. The new concentration camp outside the tunnels was code named Dora and was later renamed Mittelbau. More than 60,000 prisoners were interred at Dora. Some of them built 6000 V–2 rockets between August 1943 and April 1945. They experienced squalid housing, starvation diets, and draconian discipline with frequent executions.

    Dora and the V–2 - Historical Background

    The most important V-2 production sites were the central plants, called Mittelwerk, in the southern Harz Mountains near Nordhausen, where an abandoned gypsum mine provided an underground cavern large enough to house extensive facilities in secrecy. Slave labor from Dora carved out an underground factory in the abandoned mine, which extended a mile into the hillside.

    At the end of August 1943, the first skilled prisoners arrived from Buchenwald to form a new subcamp with the undercover name of "Dora". Foreign workers under the supervision of skilled German technicians assumed an increasing burden; at Mittelwerk, ninety percent of the 10,000 laborers were non-Germans. Officials estimate that from 1943 until 1945, 60,000 prisoners worked in these factories. Of these, 20,000 had died from various causes including starvation, fatigue and execution.


    Peenemunde - 1943

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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm not sure what you are trying to argue against, the use of slave laborers are Peenemunde and other associated facilities, not to mention virtually all war industries of the Reich is extremely well documented.

    The system of exploiting slave labor to assemble missiles began in 1943. It expanded dramatically after the August 1943 bombings of Peenemünde by the British Royal Air Force. The widespread destruction led the Nazi leadership and the missile staff to move underground and use forced labor. The chosen site was a mine/fuel depot near the town of Nordhausen in Thüringen. Slave laborers from the Buchenwald concentration camp came to extend the tunnels for an underground V–2 factory called Mittelwerk. The new concentration camp outside the tunnels was code named Dora and was later renamed Mittelbau. More than 60,000 prisoners were interred at Dora. Some of them built 6000 V–2 rockets between August 1943 and April 1945. They experienced squalid housing, starvation diets, and draconian discipline with frequent executions.

    Dora and the V–2 - Historical Background

    The most important V-2 production sites were the central plants, called Mittelwerk, in the southern Harz Mountains near Nordhausen, where an abandoned gypsum mine provided an underground cavern large enough to house extensive facilities in secrecy. Slave labor from Dora carved out an underground factory in the abandoned mine, which extended a mile into the hillside.

    At the end of August 1943, the first skilled prisoners arrived from Buchenwald to form a new subcamp with the undercover name of "Dora". Foreign workers under the supervision of skilled German technicians assumed an increasing burden; at Mittelwerk, ninety percent of the 10,000 laborers were non-Germans. Officials estimate that from 1943 until 1945, 60,000 prisoners worked in these factories. Of these, 20,000 had died from various causes including starvation, fatigue and execution.


    Peenemunde - 1943
    I'm arguing against the idea that slave labor was used to actually fabricate and assemble V-2 rockets and that slaves were forced to work in Von Bruan's R&D labs.

    I don't buy it; doesn't make sense. Say what you want about the Nazis, but stupid they weren't.
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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm arguing against the idea that slave labor was used to actually fabricate and assemble V-2 rockets and that slaves were forced to work in Von Bruan's R&D labs.

    I don't buy it; doesn't make sense. Say what you want about the Nazis, but stupid they weren't.
    The second link discusses the movement of thousands of skilled prisoners who worked under the supervision of German technicians to assemble V2's. I'm not sure how this doesn't make sense to you. There were plenty of machine workers, engineers, etc in German concentration camps and among the occupied peoples they ruled over.

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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The second link discusses the movement of thousands of skilled prisoners who worked under the supervision of German technicians to assemble V2's. I'm not sure how this doesn't make sense to you. There were plenty of machine workers, engineers, etc in German concentration camps and among the occupied peoples they ruled over.
    Too many security issues.
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    Re: Fidel Castro Hired Nazi SS to Train Military, German Intel Documents Reveal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Too many security issues.
    Hm? What do you mean? What security issues? You have to worry about sabotage sure, but this was a necessary risk if you wanted to meet production quotas. Also, not to be rude, but this isn't really a debate, these things occurred. The Nazi's used a variety of manual, semi-skilled, and skilled slave labor from electrical technicians on down to ditch diggers. It's been cited for you in this thread, and there are entire books written about the mass use of slave labor for strategic industries I suggest the The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy by Adam Tooze which has an entire section on this if I can recall.

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