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Americans Alvin Roth and Lloyd Shapley Win Nobel Economics Prize

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Allocations and market design. Muahahahaha.
 
RDS said:
Americans won. So any negatives this time?
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So...cool. I don't really pay much attention to economics in that much detail though so....cool?

Also, nice somewhat pathetic attempt to compare two random Americans to "The EU" as its own entity. CLEARLY the only reason for complaint in the other thread was because people hate the EU but two random americans are "AMERICA" as an equal entity to the EU and this is CLEARLY comparable.

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Zyphlin said:
So...cool. I don't really pay much attention to economics in that much detail though so....cool?

Also, nice somewhat pathetic attempt to compare two random Americans to "The EU" as its own entity. CLEARLY the only reason for complaint in the other thread was because people hate the EU but two random americans are "AMERICA" as an equal entity to the EU and this is CLEARLY comparable.

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Congrats to the two americans and the EU. Have to agree the peace prize has always been a controversy for years.
 
Zyphlin said:
CLEARLY the only reason for complaint in the other thread was because people hate the EU
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Glad to see you concede that there was no rational argument against the award to the EU, just a visceral hatred at work.

Also, given that you "don't pay much attention to economics", you describe the award to Roth and Shapley as "cool" purely because they're American? That seems as irrational as you guys call PeteEU's perceived anti-Americanism. Why not take nationalism out of the equation and applaud or condemn on some more rational basis?
 
Andalublue said:
Glad to see you concede that there was no rational argument against the award to the EU, just a visceral hatred at work.
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Oh absolutely. That's exactly what I stated. I mean, that was clear. It's not like anyone uses a eye roll smiley to indicate sarcasm. You're absolutely correct. I was being TOTALLY serious and honestly suggesting that complaints only came about because we hate those evil evil euros. Thanks so much for your wonderful insightful response to my totally serious on the surface statement.

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Also, given that you "don't pay much attention to economics", you describe the award to Roth and Shapley as "cool" purely because they're American?
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No, I describe the award as "cool" because I'm sure it's a cool honor to be awarded a Nobel Prize, especially the ones in science which generally seem to be regarded with a little more credability due to the typically clearer tangable reason than the peace prize. Could care less if they were American or Batswanan.

That seems as irrational as you guys call PeteEU's perceived anti-Americanism. Why not take nationalism out of the equation and applaud or condemn on some more rational basis?
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The only irrational thing I'm seeing here is you immedietely simply jumping to the conclussion that this was some kind of country-centric response, seemingly out of your own seemingly sad need to tie yourself staunchly to your country to create some kind of "us vs them" countryism crusade in your mind.

People criticize the Peace Prize choice almost every ****ing year. Yet, magically, when it is given to the EU as an actual entity and people...get this...criticize the Peace Prize it must simply be because of the obvious hate that all us evil vile ethnocentric americans have for Europeans. And clearly, when someone suggests that "hey, cool for them" to people who won one of the science nobel prizes...OBVIOUSLY they must be doing so because, you know, AMERICA...**** YEAH.

Take the inferiority complex and victim mentality elsewhere, it's a foolish argument and rather laughable. You want to speak about irrational action...stop projecting your own geographical hangups and issues on others and judging their words based on your own prejucides and biases transferred onto them, because your arguments are the ones that are illogical.
 
RDS said:
Americans won. So any negatives this time?
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Why should there be? It is interesting work that basically says the free market does no work... so if there was to be any negatives it would come from the American right.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh absolutely. That's exactly what I stated. I mean, that was clear. It's not like anyone uses a eye roll smiley to indicate sarcasm. You're absolutely correct. I was being TOTALLY serious and honestly suggesting that complaints only came about because we hate those evil evil euros. Thanks so much for your wonderful insightful response to my totally serious on the surface statement.
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You'd have to be willfully blind or stupid not to have noticed the knee-jerk anti-Europeanism all over DP. The insult 'Eurotard' is to be found in virtually every thread of the Europe forum and countless other thread in the news fora. And you think none of that has anything to do with the visceral reactions to the NPP award to the EU?


</sarcastaball>
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Don't know what that is, but it doesn't seem to be working.

No, I describe the award as "cool" because I'm sure it's a cool honor to be awarded a Nobel Prize, especially the ones in science which generally seem to be regarded with a little more credability due to the typically clearer tangable reason than the peace prize. Could care less if they were American or Batswanan.
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I guess I have to take your word for it.



The only irrational thing I'm seeing here is you immedietely simply jumping to the conclussion that this was some kind of country-centric response, seemingly out of your own seemingly sad need to tie yourself staunchly to your country to create some kind of "us vs them" countryism crusade in your mind.
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My country hasn't been mentioned in this whole discussion. If you think I'm cheerleading for the EU as a whole, then you are clearly unaware how few people over here, especially in Spain, are less than enamoured of them. 'My' country, btw won the Prize for Medicine.

"Us vs. Them" has certainly been a feature of this set-to however. "Us" being those who can recognise a significant achievement in the promotion of peace, and "Them" those who display a Pavlovian hatred for the EU and hence have the knee-jerk "It's a joke" reaction that so many responders to the other thread showed. You did read that thread didn't you? Here are a few 'thoughtful' gems of reasoning from it:

Giving the EU a prize for their actions is like giving a prize to someone for pouring cups of water on a wildfire that he started. - Rabid Alpaca
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I can't believe these dip-sticks gave themselves the award. What a bunch of Morons! - MMC
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I read this earlier. So the Europeans decided to give themselves a prize.

How audaciously tacky.

I LOL'd. - Peter Grimm
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What did he win that award for again? The people who give out this award are really making it into a big JOKE! - ChrisL
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And I'm not even quoting out of context. Those are all four complete posts. Do you contend that they are reasoned, nuanced objections? Or visceral expressions of hatred?

I did note that you didn't contribute to that thread with either a "cool" or a "this is a joke". Was it of no interest to you?
People criticize the Peace Prize choice almost every ****ing year.
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Not when it's given to someone they've never heard of. I didn't read any thread calling Mrs Johnson Sirleaf's award a joke. No, it just seems to be when it piques the partisan sensibilities.
Yet, magically, when it is given to the EU as an actual entity and people...get this...criticize the Peace Prize it must simply be because of the obvious hate that all us evil vile ethnocentric americans have for Europeans. And clearly, when someone suggests that "hey, cool for them" to people who won one of the science nobel prizes...OBVIOUSLY they must be doing so because, you know, AMERICA...**** YEAH.
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Now you're doing a DiAnna. It's not about 'Americans' being anti-EU. It's about certain posters on DP being anti-EU, not all of them American. Take Grant, a Canadian, for example. Please do take him. He's one of the worst haters on DP. I'm not calling people out because they're American, but because of their actions and ethnocentric attitudes.

Take the inferiority complex and victim mentality elsewhere, it's a foolish argument and rather laughable. You want to speak about irrational action...stop projecting your own geographical hangups and issues on others and judging their words based on your own prejucides and biases transferred onto them, because your arguments are the ones that are illogical.
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This is called 'projection'.
 
Andalublue said:
... Now you're doing a DiAnna. It's not about 'Americans' being anti-EU. It's about certain posters on DP being anti-EU, not all of them American....
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:shock: WTF??

Words cannot express the extent of my disappointment in you, and the cheap shot you have taken at me.
 
Still waiting for Thomas Sowell to win one. It's long overdue.
 
DiAnna said:
:shock: WTF??

Words cannot express the extent of my disappointment in you, and the cheap shot you have taken at me.
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Yes, I think I probably need to fess up and apologise for that. So I do. I should have been a little more sanguine. I was still a bit pissed at you for what I think was a couple of cheap shots you've made at me recently over the Nipplegate issue, the making of the gimp thread and the impugning of my motives for the comments I made about the media storm over Nipplegate. I thought you were just lumping me in with obvious anti-Americanism, when I'm anything but
 
Andalublue said:
You'd have to be willfully blind or stupid not to have noticed the knee-jerk anti-Europeanism all over DP. The insult 'Eurotard' is to be found in virtually every thread of the Europe forum and countless other thread in the news fora. And you think none of that has anything to do with the visceral reactions to the NPP award to the EU?
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I've never heard that term before, so I did a forum search for it. There are only three threads that have ever contained the word "eurotard"...and two of them were instances of you complaining about the term. The other one was a thread from over four years ago.

"Us vs. Them" has certainly been a feature of this set-to however. "Us" being those who can recognise a significant achievement in the promotion of peace,
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OK, well then let's be fair. What do you think the EU has done to earn the Nobel Peace Prize?
 
Kandahar said:
I've never heard that phrase before, so I did a forum search for it. There are only three threads that have ever contained the word "eurotard"...and two of them were instances of you complaining about the term. The other one was a thread from over four years ago.
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I think he was thinking more of "Eurotrash", which has been used in 367 threads on these boards. Easy two words to mix up.
 
Kandahar said:
I've never heard that term before, so I did a forum search for it. There are only three threads that have ever contained the word "eurotard"...and two of them were instances of you complaining about the term. The other one was a thread from over four years ago.
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The forum search does not produce results from the Basement, which is where the morons feel free to use such terminology.

OK, well then let's be fair. What do you think the EU has done to earn the Nobel Peace Prize?
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Well, if you check the thread on the subject I think I made the case clear.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/139178-eu-win-2012-nobel-peace-prize-says-norway-public-radio.html
 
PeteEU said:
I think he was thinking more of "Eurotrash", which has been used in 367 threads on these boards. Easy two words to mix up.
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I think the two terms are synonymous. Eurotrash is probably safer to use upstairs, Eurotard has been used frequently downstairs. Both seem to me to be knee-jerk insults. Thanks for that anyway, Pete.
 
Andalublue said:
The forum search does not produce results from the Basement, which is where the morons feel free to use such terminology.


Well, if you check the thread on the subject I think I made the case clear.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/139178-eu-win-2012-nobel-peace-prize-says-norway-public-radio.html
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Fair enough. It's hard to argue with the fact that Europe has become much more peaceful since WWII, and that is at least partially due to the EU. Specifically I think it's due to the increased economic/trade integration between its member states. I guess my big problem with it is the timing...it seems odd to award the Nobel Peace Prize to the EU at precisely the moment when tensions are highest among its member states, largely due to the fiscal coercion the EU itself is imposing upon certain member states.

With that said, the Nobel Peace Prize has often been awarded to odd choices at unusual times. The EU certainly wouldn't have been my pick, at least not this year. But the Nobel Committee could have (and has) done worse.
 
Kandahar said:
Fair enough. It's hard to argue with the fact that Europe has become much more peaceful since WWII, and that is at least partially due to the EU. Specifically I think it's due to the increased economic/trade integration between its member states. I guess my big problem with it is the timing...it seems odd to award the Nobel Peace Prize to the EU at precisely the moment when tensions are highest among its member states, largely due to the fiscal coercion the EU itself is imposing upon certain member states.

With that said, the Nobel Peace Prize has often been awarded to odd choices at unusual times. The EU certainly wouldn't have been my pick, at least not this year. But the Nobel Committee could have (and has) done worse.
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All fair comment. As I said in the thread, I might agree with some suggestions as to more deserving recipients, but I can see a case for the award, nothing more.

What I was getting exercised about were the kind of comments that I quoted earlier; knee-jerk insults based on hatred of all things European and/or EU-related. Not one of them made a case for why they thought the award was wrong, nor did any of them suggest alternative, more deserving candidates.
 
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