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EU to win 2012 Nobel Peace Prize, says Norway public radio

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MMC said:
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Reuters) - The European Union won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for promoting peace, democracy and human rights over six decades in an award seen as a morale boost as the bloc struggles to resolve its economic crisis.

The EU has transformed most of Europe "from a continent of wars to a continent of peace," Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said in announcing the award in Oslo.
The prize, worth $1.2 million (747 thousand pounds), will be presented in Oslo on December 10. The decision by the five-member panel, led by Jagland who is also Secretary-General of the Council of Europe, was unanimous.

The EU won from a field of 231 candidates including Russian dissidents and religious leaders working for Muslim-Christian reconciliation.....snip~

EU wins 2012 Nobel Peace Prize | Reuters


I can't believe these dip-sticks gave themselves the award. What a bunch of Morons!
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The Nobel Peace prize has become just a joke.
 
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joko104 said:
The Nobel Peace prize has become just a joke.
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It has been for a while. This is not the most surprising recipient. That Henry Kissinger should have been made a Nobel peace laureate made the award a joke back in 1973.
 
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Andalublue said:
That was the point of fact I was correcting.
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I think you helped the other side by pointing out that pretty much no one has any idea who got it between 'US voters' and 'EU'.
 
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ecofarm said:
I think you helped the other side by pointing out that pretty much no one has any idea who got it between 'US voters' and 'EU'.
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No, I think that makes a point that these people aren't remotely interested in the NPP or the merits of those people who win it. They just want to make some petty, partisan scoring point and probably have a xenophobic, anti-European dig at the same time.
 
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Andalublue said:
the merits of those people who win it.
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If the EU (side: not a person, right?) is gonna follow Obama's lead, I guess it's time to get back to stealth drone bombing someone. Look out Iran, Euros won the NPP and you know what Obama did.



Anyway, now objects (the EU) can win the NPP. Great. Who gets the million? Probably Greece.
 
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Andalublue said:
No, I think that makes a point that these people aren't remotely interested in the NPP or the merits of those people who win it. They just want to make some petty, partisan scoring point and probably have a xenophobic, anti-European dig at the same time.
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Exactly, they are not even debating the issue on merit or facts. Fact is the EU has in part (some like me would say large part) made sure that western Europe for the first time in known history has not had a major war between nations break out in over 60 years. And that is what the Nobel committee is rewarding.
 
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ecofarm said:
If the EU (side: not a person, right?) is gonna follow Obama's lead, I guess it's time to get back to stealth drone bombing someone.
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I thought the award to Obama was pretty ridiculous. Not only had he not achieved anything to merit it, he has shown himself subsequently to be a very weak champion of world peace. I think he should have his award rescinded, but not before they strip Kissinger of his and deliver him to the International War Crimes Tribunal.
 
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Andalublue said:
I thought the award to Obama was pretty ridiculous. Not only had he not achieved anything to merit it, he has shown himself subsequently to be a very weak champion of world peace. I think he should have his award rescinded, but not before they strip Kissinger of his and deliver him to the International War Crimes Tribunal.
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But we're supposed to think the EU is special? The whole thing?

Seriously, are you guys giving the money to Greece?
 
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ecofarm said:
But we're supposed to think the EU is special? The whole thing?
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I think 55 years of peace between nations is pretty special. It's certainly a major achievement of the EEC/EU. This isn't an award to the EU for its economic policies, its cultural or agricultural policies. Its an award for the promotion and maintenance of peace.
Seriously, are you guys giving the money to Greece?
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I've no idea where the prize money will go. I wouldn't vote for it to go to Greece, it might be seen as a reward for lying to the rest of the EU for years.
 
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Regardless of how laudable the European project is, the Nobel Prize is supposed to recognize sheer achievement not act as an inducement or remind people of where the Nobel committee thinks things should be heading. This reminds me a bit of the Obama award in some ways, an effort to send a message and shore up a narrative rather than an honest attempt to locate a worthy individual or group. I think this was clearly timed to coincide with the confusion and trouble within the Eurozone and the increased friction in Europe. It seems transparent and it it discredits the Nobel Prize and politicizes it without need.
 
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Sherman123 said:
Regardless of how laudable the European project is, the Nobel Prize is supposed to recognize sheer achievement not act as an inducement or remind people of where the Nobel committee thinks things should be heading. This reminds me a bit of the Obama award in some ways, an effort to send a message and shore up a narrative rather than an honest attempt to locate a worthy individual or group. I think this was clearly timed to coincide with the confusion and trouble within the Eurozone and the increased friction in Europe. It seems transparent and it it discredits the Nobel Prize and politicizes it without need.
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It makes an award for an outstanding achievement in the promotion and maintenance of peace. Well deserved, imho.
 
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Andalublue said:
It makes an award for an outstanding achievement in the promotion and maintenance of peace. Well deserved, imho.
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Right, but the timing is totally improper. If it was going to be awarded it should have been done several years ago when the project was coming together, when the treaties were signed, and when the EU was at its contemporary zenith, or at some anniversary, etc. Instead by picking it now it is transparently the result of internal political calculations and opinion. It is the first time the prize has not been awarded at least in part to an individual in more than a decade, and even then the choice was Doctors Without Borders due to their recent work in the Kargil War, Somalia, and the Caucuses. I don't understand how in 2012 the EU qualified for this prize, and I think it is a real shame because it discredits the award which should be totally non-partisan.
 
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Sherman123 said:
Right, but the timing is totally improper. If it was going to be awarded it should have been done several years ago when the project was coming together, when the treaties were signed, and when the EU was at its contemporary zenith, or at some anniversary, etc. Instead by picking it now it is transparently the result of internal political calculations and opinion. It is the first time the prize has not been awarded at least in part to an individual in more than a decade, and even then the choice was Doctors Without Borders due to their recent work in the Kargil War, Somalia, and the Caucuses. I don't understand how in 2012 the EU qualified for this prize, and I think it is a real shame because it discredits the award which should be totally non-partisan.
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I don't understand the timing either. What I do know is that the Norwegian Nobel Committee isn't taking orders or accepting bribes from the European Commission.
 
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Ben K. said:
The ECSC is now defunct so I'm not sure how that would work. The EU for all intents and purposes is its continuation.
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You can't simply brush over the differences between the ECSC and the EU as if they don't exist. Many, if not most, eurosceptics would be fine with an ECSC-style free trade bloc. The EU is much more than that.
 
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Andalublue said:
I don't understand the timing either. What I do know is that the Norwegian Nobel Committee isn't taking orders or accepting bribes from the European Commission.
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No, no, and don't get me wrong I'm not saying that. What I'm arguing is that the personal political opinions of the committee, and the hope that this will engender a positive conversation on a troubled EU dictated this decision. My point is that it is transparent and not what the Nobel Prize is supposed to be about.
 
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By the nobel committee, who seem to be pushing a pro-europe agenda.

The modern EU is quite different from the free trade bloc that existed in the 1950's. Most euro-skeptics would be fine with a free trade arrangement. There wouldn't be any objection to the EU receiving the nobel prize if it were unchanged from the pre-EU variant.

It is precisely the issues of regulation, currency and fiscal policy, and loss of national sovereignty that cause so much concern.

I am aware that it is up to each country to hold its own referendum on EU membership. Why haven't we seen this yet? EU does not have popular support in many EU nations, and yet the leaders do not trust the democratic process.

This is why I say... the EU is the "next big step" in European democracy - except Europeans hate it and it's not democratic.

Andalublue said:
An attempt to legitimise the EU by whom? Every EU member state has the right to hold any referendum they want to decide to stay in, leave or renegotiate their membership. It's up to the national governments, not the EU, to organise and permit any such referenda. Your comments are full of inaccuracies. All EU member states are independent nations with their own governments. They consent to EU membership and the common policies that that entails purely by treaty and they are free to withdraw any time they wish. The EU, as a name, has only existed since 1993, but the organisation has existed since 1957 when Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, Italy and West Germany signed the Treaty of Rome to create the European Economic Community.
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Peter Grimm said:
Norway is in Europe.

Notice how I said "the Europeans decided to give themselves a prize" and not "The EU decided to give themselves a prize."
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But you're still wrong. The Norwegian Nobel committee has nothing to do with the EU, so nobody has given the prize to themselves. Are you suggesting that no European person should ever give another European person or organisation any prizes...ever. It's a retarded argument.

If the grammys give a canadian singer a prize, would you dismiss it as North Americans giving themselves a prize? This is your argument.
 
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Let me know the next time the grammies give the United States government a prize for "Hail to the Chief." That would be a closer analogy.

Homer. said:
But you're still wrong. The Norwegian Nobel committee has nothing to do with the EU, so nobody has given the prize to themselves. Are you suggesting that no European person should ever give another European person or organisation any prizes...ever. It's a retarded argument.

If the grammys give a canadian singer a prize, would you dismiss it as North Americans giving themselves a prize? This is your argument.
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MMC said:
Well pretty much with what the Brits say.....seems fair enough to give it to NATO from protecting them. U knows from that Big Old Bad Bear! ;)
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might of mis-read what your saying but your not suggesting that the UK needs nato to protect them?
 
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