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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, I think that makes a point that these people aren't remotely interested in the NPP or the merits of those people who win it. They just want to make some petty, partisan scoring point and probably have a xenophobic, anti-European dig at the same time.
    Exactly, they are not even debating the issue on merit or facts. Fact is the EU has in part (some like me would say large part) made sure that western Europe for the first time in known history has not had a major war between nations break out in over 60 years. And that is what the Nobel committee is rewarding.
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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If the EU (side: not a person, right?) is gonna follow Obama's lead, I guess it's time to get back to stealth drone bombing someone.
    I thought the award to Obama was pretty ridiculous. Not only had he not achieved anything to merit it, he has shown himself subsequently to be a very weak champion of world peace. I think he should have his award rescinded, but not before they strip Kissinger of his and deliver him to the International War Crimes Tribunal.
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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I thought the award to Obama was pretty ridiculous. Not only had he not achieved anything to merit it, he has shown himself subsequently to be a very weak champion of world peace. I think he should have his award rescinded, but not before they strip Kissinger of his and deliver him to the International War Crimes Tribunal.
    But we're supposed to think the EU is special? The whole thing?

    Seriously, are you guys giving the money to Greece?

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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    But we're supposed to think the EU is special? The whole thing?
    I think 55 years of peace between nations is pretty special. It's certainly a major achievement of the EEC/EU. This isn't an award to the EU for its economic policies, its cultural or agricultural policies. Its an award for the promotion and maintenance of peace.
    Seriously, are you guys giving the money to Greece?
    I've no idea where the prize money will go. I wouldn't vote for it to go to Greece, it might be seen as a reward for lying to the rest of the EU for years.
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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, I think that makes a point that these people aren't remotely interested in the NPP
    You're doing it again.

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    I've no idea where the prize money will go.

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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Regardless of how laudable the European project is, the Nobel Prize is supposed to recognize sheer achievement not act as an inducement or remind people of where the Nobel committee thinks things should be heading. This reminds me a bit of the Obama award in some ways, an effort to send a message and shore up a narrative rather than an honest attempt to locate a worthy individual or group. I think this was clearly timed to coincide with the confusion and trouble within the Eurozone and the increased friction in Europe. It seems transparent and it it discredits the Nobel Prize and politicizes it without need.

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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Regardless of how laudable the European project is, the Nobel Prize is supposed to recognize sheer achievement not act as an inducement or remind people of where the Nobel committee thinks things should be heading. This reminds me a bit of the Obama award in some ways, an effort to send a message and shore up a narrative rather than an honest attempt to locate a worthy individual or group. I think this was clearly timed to coincide with the confusion and trouble within the Eurozone and the increased friction in Europe. It seems transparent and it it discredits the Nobel Prize and politicizes it without need.
    It makes an award for an outstanding achievement in the promotion and maintenance of peace. Well deserved, imho.
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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It makes an award for an outstanding achievement in the promotion and maintenance of peace. Well deserved, imho.
    Right, but the timing is totally improper. If it was going to be awarded it should have been done several years ago when the project was coming together, when the treaties were signed, and when the EU was at its contemporary zenith, or at some anniversary, etc. Instead by picking it now it is transparently the result of internal political calculations and opinion. It is the first time the prize has not been awarded at least in part to an individual in more than a decade, and even then the choice was Doctors Without Borders due to their recent work in the Kargil War, Somalia, and the Caucuses. I don't understand how in 2012 the EU qualified for this prize, and I think it is a real shame because it discredits the award which should be totally non-partisan.

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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Right, but the timing is totally improper. If it was going to be awarded it should have been done several years ago when the project was coming together, when the treaties were signed, and when the EU was at its contemporary zenith, or at some anniversary, etc. Instead by picking it now it is transparently the result of internal political calculations and opinion. It is the first time the prize has not been awarded at least in part to an individual in more than a decade, and even then the choice was Doctors Without Borders due to their recent work in the Kargil War, Somalia, and the Caucuses. I don't understand how in 2012 the EU qualified for this prize, and I think it is a real shame because it discredits the award which should be totally non-partisan.
    I don't understand the timing either. What I do know is that the Norwegian Nobel Committee isn't taking orders or accepting bribes from the European Commission.
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    Re: E.U. Wins Nobel Peace Prize.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The ECSC is now defunct so I'm not sure how that would work. The EU for all intents and purposes is its continuation.
    You can't simply brush over the differences between the ECSC and the EU as if they don't exist. Many, if not most, eurosceptics would be fine with an ECSC-style free trade bloc. The EU is much more than that.

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