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Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

Jonsa said:
Can burn whatever, as long as it isn't inciting violence.
If burning an american flag made americans all over the world go ape**** and riot, then you couldn't burn a flag. If burning a Koran makes muslims all over the world go ape**** and riot, the you couldn't burn the koran, because you would be deliberately inciting violence.

Coulter was not banned from Canada. She had a lecture cancelled by the university could not guarantee security for her because there was a very negative reaction on the part of students to her vitriolic public personna.
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Juiposa said:
It is not a crime to hate in this country. It is a crime to spread hatred and incite violence with that hatred. I can express an extreme hatred for Stephen Harper all I want. It become a crime when I start public forums, recruit people, hold campaigns, make claims of Stephen Harper's imminent death, then it becomes a crime. We have the Nothwithstanding Clause for this reason. Not to simply force people to be nice to each other.
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Hm.

I might change my mind on this.

I support people's right to say they hate something/someone...

...but if they're doing something they know is going to cause blood to be spilt, then perhaps that should be stopped.

A lot of the radical Muslims in other countries are insane. If this pastor guy KNOWS blood is going to be spilt by what he's doing, then he needs to take some of the responsibility for it.
 
Jonsa said:
John lennon had to go to court to gain entry into the US. JOHN FREAKING LENNON!
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Okay, you guys have fun jabbing at the US. Don't expect me to dive in. I think Canada has every right to refuse entry to ANYONE. I respect that right. But it doesn't mean I want to join in on the spit on America fest. I love my country, flaws and all. I am plenty aware of them. Just don't expect me to focus on only the negatives and never the positives. I don't do that to other countries. Offer me the same courtesy and don't do it to mine.
 
I don't mind if Canada mocks America as well, so long as America can give as good as it gets. :mrgreen:
 
Gardener said:
What is Canada's position on hate speech BY Muslims?
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That's different! That's part of their religion. Besides, they might attack us if we don't let them say what they want. Freedom Through Appeasement! Being nice is the only way to be safe. And if you don't like Qanadians being cowards, it's their country and they can shelter as many jihadist sleeper cells as they want. Big Brotherhood Is Watching You!
 
Jonsa said:
Can burn whatever, as long as it isn't inciting violence.
If burning an american flag made americans all over the world go ape**** and riot, then you couldn't burn a flag. If burning a Koran makes muslims all over the world go ape**** and riot, the you couldn't burn the koran, because you would be deliberately inciting violence.

Coulter was not banned from Canada. She had a lecture cancelled by the university could not guarantee security for her because there was a very negative reaction on the part of students to her vitriolic public personna.
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Coulter does not meet our intelligence requirement. It's same reason Bush and Cheney didn't come here there was such a negative reaction they feared for their safety.
 
Jonsa said:
John lennon had to go to court to gain entry into the US. JOHN FREAKING LENNON!
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he came here and met Trudeau and said if all world leaders were like him there would be world peace.
 
Peter Grimm said:
That's all you needed to say right there.

You're free to say whatever you want... inside the fine boundaries the government sets for you, of course.

Silly Canadians.
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The boundaries the government set on the views of Canadians.
 
0bserver92 said:
Coulter does not meet our intelligence requirement. it's same reason Bush and Cheney didn't come here there was such a negative reaction they feared for their safety.
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While I disagree with Coulter's views, to imply Coulter has low intelligence is a grave mistake. Intelligence is the acquisition and application of skills and knowledge. One can be of any political persuasion and have high intellect.
 
Wake said:
Intelligence is the acquisition and application of skills and knowledge. One can be of any political persuasion and have high intellect.
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Something she completely lacks.
 
0bserver92 said:
Something she completely lacks.
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Well, how so? How do you reason through logic that Ann Coulter lacks intelligence?

As stated before, ntelligence is the acquisition and application of skills and knowledge. One can be of any political persuasion and have high intellect.

This directly destroys any notion that Coulter lacks intelligence, because regardless of her beliefs she clearly has the proficiency to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
 
The official reason the Canada Border Services Agency gave him for denying entry to Canada was that Jones had failed to reveal his criminal history including reportedly being fined in Germany for fraudulently using the title “doctor” and Australia also bars anyone with criminal records from entering the country. Moreover, the Commonwealth countries generally follow legal precedents set by Britain and Terry Jones was previously denied entry to the UK to participate in the EDL rally last year and he may be blacklisted internationally.

BBC News - US pastor Terry Jones banned from entering UK
 
Jonsa said:
We do respect free speech. what we won't tolerate is hate speech designed to incite violence. Our hate speech laws are very specific, because freedom of speech is a fundamental right as outlined in our charter of rights and freedoms.
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Then that's not free speech. That's free speech without hate speech designed to incite violence. Surely you can see the contradiction there.
 
Jonsa said:
Can burn whatever, as long as it isn't inciting violence.
If burning an american flag made americans all over the world go ape**** and riot, then you couldn't burn a flag. If burning a Koran makes muslims all over the world go ape**** and riot, the you couldn't burn the koran, because you would be deliberately inciting violence.
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That's backwards.
 
EagleAye said:
Okay, you guys have fun jabbing at the US. Don't expect me to dive in. I think Canada has every right to refuse entry to ANYONE. I respect that right. But it doesn't mean I want to join in on the spit on America fest. I love my country, flaws and all. I am plenty aware of them. Just don't expect me to focus on only the negatives and never the positives. I don't do that to other countries. Offer me the same courtesy and don't do it to mine.
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I'm not spitting on america. I am discussing one particular aspect of Canadian free speech laws. It is only natural when americans criticize our version by holding up their own version, that there might be some "blow back".

I am one canadian who happens to be grateful that america is our neighbour. I do not beleive we could be the country we are without the benefits of the superpower located conveniently just across the longest undefended border in the world.
 
Jonsa said:
not hypocracy at all. It really isn't about his violent record, its about his hateful perspective designed to incite violence.
But thanks for the nod that is our country, we were worried there for a sec.
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In the 1930s Winston Churchill was trying to "incite violence" too, but people didn't listen to him until it was too late. Also, in America, look up General Billy Mitchell. But when cowards have moral authority, prophets are slandered.
 
Wake said:
While I disagree with Coulter's views, to imply Coulter has low intelligence is a grave mistake. Intelligence is the acquisition and application of skills and knowledge. One can be of any political persuasion and have high intellect.
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They say hitler had a high IQ. Many of the worlsds worst despots had/have high IQ's
 
LiberalAvenger said:
They say hitler had a high IQ. Many of the worlsds worst despots had/have high IQ's
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That is historical fact. Ann is not a dictator, but she does have high IQ.
 
Jonsa said:
Can burn whatever, as long as it isn't inciting violence.
If burning an american flag made americans all over the world go ape**** and riot, then you couldn't burn a flag. If burning a Koran makes muslims all over the world go ape**** and riot, the you couldn't burn the koran, because you would be deliberately inciting violence.

Coulter was not banned from Canada. She had a lecture cancelled by the university could not guarantee security for her because there was a very negative reaction on the part of students to her vitriolic public personna.
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So judgments on freedom are based on the way savages will react to it?
 
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