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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Horse****. You dont even know your own freaking history of bigatory, racism, political persecution and worse. You have a whole gulag on Cuba with people being persecuted for their political views and even religious beliefs. You have denied entry to people based on ludacris reasons like "his name is close to that of Bin Laden" excuse, and even put your own politicians on no fly lists "by mistakes".. yea funny that it was always the opposition that got on those lists.. And do you really want to go back more than 10 years of your history? Segregation, lynching, Japanese internment, McCarthy era .. that was just the last century... add to that slavery, Salem witch trials and general religious persecution of Jews and non christians across the US... the US is far far from any angel when it comes to persecution based on political views and religion.
    This is till the greatest country on earth, because this man's civil rights are protected. Obviously, other countries around the world haven't caught up with us.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Im sorry these guys make the US look bad. I think it's them that make us look so bad in other countries.
    Every country has its crazies. It is just that most countries dont let theirs get out so much or allow so much media coverage. And the real crazies actually get put in jail or mental institutions.. Glenn Bech would not have lasted a month in Europe.. he would be in a padded cell by now!
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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I love this country. The fact that this clown can express himself and not be punished by the government makes me love it even more.
    I'll be honest with you. Ive very torn between freedom of expression (free speech) and the ability of anyone spewing vile hate.

    just curious, how do you feel about Westboro spewing hate at military funerals?



    What i find strange is you cant say the F word on TV, but you can spew hate on the street corner.
    We can allow our kids to be subjected to this vile hate on the street corner, but we have to censor "bad language." on TV. I really dont get that.
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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is till the greatest country on earth, because this man's civil rights are protected. Obviously, other countries around the world haven't caught up with us.
    Yea, a "man's" civil right.. **** the womens civil right, or that of people who happen to love someone of their own sex... oh and dont forget that your "civil" rights have only been protected for last 40ish years... and that was only because of force that they suddenly became "protected".

    Your country is nothing when it comes to democracy or civil rights. Hell you guys cant even freaking count votes right! .. yes that was a dig at the 2000 election.

    The day your country gets same sex marriage rights across the US.. then you can maybe start to call yourself adequate when it comes to "civil rights".
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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea, a "man's" civil right.. **** the womens civil right, or that of people who happen to love someone of their own sex... oh and dont forget that your "civil" rights have only been protected for last 40ish years... and that was only because of force that they suddenly became "protected".

    Your country is nothing when it comes to democracy or civil rights. Hell you guys cant even freaking count votes right! .. yes that was a dig at the 2000 election.

    The day your country gets same sex marriage rights across the US.. then you can maybe start to call yourself adequate when it comes to "civil rights".
    He did say: " this man's civil rights" referring to himself, but perhaps English isn't your native language.

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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prepare for a barrage of Christian Persecution Complex. You've been warned.
    Nope, not my business what Canada chooses to do. Iirc Canada has a different speech protection than the U.S. and religious intolerance is covered so it's their right to bar him from entry. It would be a different story had this been the U.S.
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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is till the greatest country on earth, because this man's civil rights are protected. Obviously, other countries around the world haven't caught up with us.
    He's not Canadian we could care less about his rights.

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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But even hatred out to be able to be vocalized. Why is it a crime to hate something? Hate is a part of being human, and if you hate something, you should have the right to vocalize it. The same goes for anyone who hates someone/something else, like, say, atheists who mock the religious.

    Canada's version of free speech is a misnomer, because to them speech only has freedom when it's convenient to them. You only get to say what they want you to say. Speech is not solely about candy and lolipops. There are issues out there that stir up a lot of anger and tension. It is better to allow people to voice their thoughts, emotions, and opinions rather than putting your hand over their mouth, only to enrage them and cut off the hand. It's for this controlling nature of Canada that the U.S.A will always continue to be better than Canada, because America does not and will not put its foot into the mouths of others. As an American, I may not like what others say, but I will fight for them to have that precious right.
    Got it completely wrong.

    Free speech is entrenched in our charter of rights and freedoms. What is NOT is hate speech lie for the purpose of inciting hatred and violence against any particular group. There is also a rarer form in regard to deliberately lying to incite hatred/violence.
    There is a substantial difference:

    I can say that all neo-nazis are deformed mutant knuckledraggers and thats okay,.

    If I say that all neo-nazis are deformed mutant knuckledraggers that true canadians should shoot them on sight - that is not okay.

    You can mock religion, you can make fun of immigrants, you can say odious things about whomever you want. What you can't do is incite others to violence and hatred.

    We don't stop neonazis from protesting. We don't stop bigots from voicing their bigotry. We don't stop anyone from criticizing anyone else.

    And of course we have the other same restrictions to free speech that America does.
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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Got it completely wrong.

    Free speech is entrenched in our charter of rights and freedoms. What is NOT is hate speech lie for the purpose of inciting hatred and violence against any particular group. There is also a rarer form in regard to deliberately lying to incite hatred/violence.
    There is a substantial difference:

    I can say that all neo-nazis are deformed mutant knuckledraggers and thats okay,.

    If I say that all neo-nazis are deformed mutant knuckledraggers that true canadians should shoot them on sight - that is not okay.

    You can mock religion, you can make fun of immigrants, you can say odious things about whomever you want. What you can't do is incite others to violence and hatred.

    We don't stop neonazis from protesting. We don't stop bigots from voicing their bigotry. We don't stop anyone from criticizing anyone else.

    And of course we have the other same restrictions to free speech that America does.
    What does Canada's free speech laws say about burning the Koran, the American flag, or the Bible?

    Also, wasn't Ann Coulter banned from Canada as well? Did she "incite violence," too?

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    Re: Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    He's not Canadian we could care less about his rights.
    Now that's awfully close to an american conservative perspective.
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