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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    And 'equality happens in steps'?

    No offense, but that is ridiculous.

    Equality is an absolute. You do not sit back and ask for an inch. You stand up and demand the mile.

    And you can live in denial all you want, but power comes from the top down.

    Look at the latest economic downturns. All the big banks and some big corporations got into trouble and yet they managed to get the politicians to con the masses into paying their hard earned taxes to bail out billionaires.

    The masses have virtually no power. They just think they do.

    The only power they have s with voting.

    And if you sit back and wait for 90+% of male politicians to care about female equality in private (sure, in public they will/claim they care - they have to) and push for it? You will be sitting a LONG time and many women will suffer needlessly.


    I am not going on and on about this.

    You want female equality at the fastest pace? Then the best way to do achieve that (IMO) is for the more women in the more positions of power.

    You don't agree? Whatever.


    Have a nice day.
    You just don't understand how real change that affects and permeates through multiple layers of culture and society actually happens . . . Never mind that we have centuries of significant change to actually look to for examples of how best to achieve it. Everything from religious freedom to individual freedom regarding slavery and even the formation of our own country being accepted as a separate entity standing on it's own = steps.

    You're wanting fast and instantaneous - and it does not happen that way. So sorry - it just doesn't when what needs to change are people's views and values in mass number. It is slow. I don't want some quick-mercurial fix. I was solid and permanent. Something that won't taper when the dopamine levels bottom out - something that's solid and won't cave when **** gets rough 50 years later.

    That's just how it is - it would be nice to just snap fingers or have a few tough people make it all happen in short order but that is not reality.

    I don't get why you don't see that for what it is. When you want something that's big you have to work your way up to it from the bottom - that's just HOW it is.
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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You just don't understand how real change that affects and permeates through multiple layers of culture and society actually happens . . . Never mind that we have centuries of significant change to actually look to for examples of how best to achieve it. Everything from religious freedom to individual freedom regarding slavery and even the formation of our own country being accepted as a separate entity standing on it's own = steps.

    You're wanting fast and instantaneous - and it does not happen that way. So sorry - it just doesn't when what needs to change are people's views and values in mass number. It is slow. I don't want some quick-mercurial fix. I was solid and permanent. Something that won't taper when the dopamine levels bottom out - something that's solid and won't cave when **** gets rough 50 years later.

    That's just how it is - it would be nice to just snap fingers or have a few tough people make it all happen in short order but that is not reality.

    I don't get why you don't see that for what it is. When you want something that's big you have to work your way up to it from the bottom - that's just HOW it is.
    No...that is how it was.

    The world is different thanks to everyone owning cellphones and twitter and YouTube et al.

    Look at the Arab Spring? Country after country rose up, something impossible just a few years ago.

    And you want to ignore mass media and the potential to put huge pressure on Western governments to help speed up the process in the name of 'slow and steady'?

    Ridiculous.

    There is no sane reason not to do both - slow and steady AND active political pressure.

    And if this issue REALLY means a lot to you - then you should insist your politicians take action on it.

    And the chances of a woman taking said action is undoubtedly a lot more then most men.


    No offense, but it is you who is stuck in the past.

    The world is changing and shrinking.

    Now is the time for those who truly care about the disadvantaged to actively fight for their rights through the power of the new media and the power of the ballot box.


    Good day.

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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Wrong.

    This is about men having the power in those societies to enforce such nonsensical ideas.
    This is about powerful countries like America and Germany and Japan doing nothing to help end this nonsense.
    In fact, in many cases, these countries prop up these archaic countries for political gain....like America does with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan...countries with leaders/prominent politicians that openly encourage this kind if behavior.


    If the rest of the world said 'enough' to these barbaric practices, I believe they would end within a generation.
    But since men still run the world and most really do not care that munch about it...little is done.
    Most men care more about getting laid, their favorite sports team winning and buying a nicer car/house/smartphone then whether women have enough rights (unfortunately, I know I do when push comes to shove).

    Many, many men secretly want women to have less rights and for things to go back to the 'good old days' (I am NOT one of those though).
    How long do you think this would go on if men were the ones being abused/ill treated?
    Not long at all. The male dominated western governments would probably FREAK OUT if it was widespread.
    They would probably call it a terrorist cell's work or something...anything to justify invading these places to put a stop to such practices.

    But because so many if these middle-aged male leaders do not really care all that much about female equality ( despite the PCM crap they spew in public), they will do little to help these poor women.
    Are you seriously suggesting that problem would be worse if the West brought more political pressure to bear in these countries to end these barbaric practices?

    Don't be ridiculous.
    If the West cared as much about cruelty to women as they do about Iran getting nukes, the problem would end FAR faster.
    Hopefully you're aware that those sorts of statements will not get you laid any faster than the rest of us. Girls will just think that you're a P**y.

    Not even Freud could figure it out.
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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No...that is how it was.

    The world is different thanks to everyone owning cellphones and twitter and YouTube et al.

    Look at the Arab Spring? Country after country rose up, something impossible just a few years ago.

    And you want to ignore mass media and the potential to put huge pressure on Western governments to help speed up the process in the name of 'slow and steady'?

    Ridiculous.

    There is no sane reason not to do both.

    And if this issue REALLY means a lot to you - then you should insist your politicians take action on it.

    And the chances of a woman taking said action is undoubtedly a lot more then most men.


    No offense, but it is you who is stuck in the past.

    The world is changing and shrinking.

    Now is the time for those who truly care about the disadvantaged to actively fight for their rights through the power of the new media and the power of the ballot box.


    You disagree? You are wrong if you do.


    Good day.
    Why can't men in power have influence in this regard? Why do you think only women have the power to change this? Men can't oppose child-brides? Are you suggesting that every male in the world supports it instead? Of course you know that's hardly true. Why do you believe women hold the magic key, here?

    You're assuming that having more women in any political office or seat in various countries like the US or Germany is going to make some sort of a change even though the attitudes of the people who do support these things (the ones that need changing) aren't willing to listen to who is giving the message. If they don't respect women NOW then why - on earth - would they listen to the pleas of female political leaders around the world who start cropping up?

    Just because we have advanced technologically in some areas of the world and we've changed a bit doesn't mean the entire world has changed - everyone and everything hasn't followed through with that same change of pace and response. You can't take a people and force them to immediately see things your way - you have to persuade them and compel them on a level that they accept in some fashion.

    This isn't a new issue, you know - it's been tackled off and on for quite some time. Some places have ended the practice - maybe we should pay attention to what swayed them instead of jumping to false conclusions.
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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Hopefully you're aware that those sorts of statements will not get you laid any faster than the rest of us. Girls will just think that you're a P**y.

    Not even Freud could figure it out.
    I say what I think.

    Any woman that I could 'talk into bed', I am not interested in bedding.

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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why can't men in power have influence in this regard? Why do you think only women have the power to change this? Men can't oppose child-brides? Are you suggesting that every male in the world supports it instead? Of course you know that's hardly true. Why do you believe women hold the magic key, here?

    You're assuming that having more women in any political office or seat in various countries like the US or Germany is going to make some sort of a change even though the attitudes of the people who do support these things (the ones that need changing) aren't willing to listen to who is giving the message. If they don't respect women NOW then why - on earth - would they listen to the pleas of female political leaders around the world who start cropping up?

    Just because we have advanced technologically in some areas of the world and we've changed a bit doesn't mean the entire world has changed - everyone and everything hasn't followed through with that same change of pace and response. You can't take a people and force them to immediately see things your way - you have to persuade them and compel them on a level that they accept in some fashion.

    This isn't a new issue, you know - it's been tackled off and on for quite some time. Some places have ended the practice - maybe we should pay attention to what swayed them instead of jumping to false conclusions.
    If you think that male politicians will be as motivated as female politicians - then I think you are incredibly naive.

    Anyway, I have zero desire to get into some long, pointless debate with someone whose mind is closed on an issue.

    I have stated my thoughts.

    You do not agree...so be it.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If you think that male politicians will be as motivated as female politicians - then I think you are incredibly naive.

    Anyway, I have zero desire to get into some long, pointless debate with someone whose mind is closed on an issue.

    I have stated my thoughts.

    You do not agree...so be it.


    Have a nice day.
    Sure - agree to disagree. I think you have a lot to learn about world political and human nature.
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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Sure - agree to disagree. I think you have a lot to learn about world political and human nature.
    Okee dokee.


    Have a slow and steady, play it safe day.

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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    The UN really has to stop thinking anyone cares what they think. They can declare whatever they want or push for whatever they want but the only countries that will care is the ones that signed on to it. Everyone else will lift their middle finger and let it linger until the UN moves on to the next issue that they decide to meddle in.

    In short, no one cares what you think UN, so STFU.

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    Re: International Day of the Girl

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Okee dokee.


    Have a slow and steady, play it safe day.
    LOL - why'd you change your post? Did you think it was offensive to me?

    Here - I'll run for president and just fix all this **** straight up. . . give me your vote and a million bucks and voila! Equal rights for all - as well as free chocolate and midol.

    If H Clinton ran for president would you vote for her? Do you vote for every female who runs for any seat in office?
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