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Armstrong Used Drugs -Did Taxpayer Dollars Fund It?

It's things like this that baffle me beyond belief. Why do taxpayer dollars go to bicycle teams, puppet shows, or painting a giant salmon on a 747? We're not sure, all we know is that we need more taxes.

Great point! Is this the reason the government wants to raise taxes on some of it's citizens? So that we can pay for these silly things? It's really maddening, isn't it?
 
Sigh.....the article says that the USPS sponsored bicycling team, which Armstrong was a member of, received tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.

So either the USPS provided the team with that money, or the government did, but either way, and I don't care which way, I want to know why a bicycling team gets taxpayer funding to the tune of tens of millions?

Double Sigh. If the article said his team received tax payer dollars it would be wrong, but the article didn't say that. Where are you getting this information? The USPS is NOT tax payer funded. It is self funded. If it were tax payer funded it probably wouldn't have to resort to advertising. The only tax payer funded organization mentioned in that article is the USADA. If your argument is we shouldn't be wasting tax payer dollars drug testing athletes I will agree with you.
 
USPS is NOT tax payer funded.


People still seem to be missing that little point. Now, if we want to get upset about our tax dollars being used to sponsor this kind of stuff we still can. The U.S. Army, which IS tax payer supported, sponsors a NASCAR race team.
 
Sigh.....the article says that the USPS sponsored bicycling team, which Armstrong was a member of, received tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.

So either the USPS provided the team with that money, or the government did, but either way, and I don't care which way, I want to know why a bicycling team gets taxpayer funding to the tune of tens of millions?
It is called advertising and marketing.
 
I hope I'm not committing some offense by posting on the OP topic, but I think stripping away his 7 wins - meaning taking it away from everyone on every one of those 7 teams too - really sucks.
 
I hope I'm not committing some offense by posting on the OP topic, but I think stripping away his 7 wins - meaning taking it away from everyone on every one of those 7 teams too - really sucks.

I agree, it sucks for the team, but Armstrong is getting what he deserves if he's been doping IMO. Too bad for the ones who are honest.

I'm still wondering how he was never caught before now, because this isn't a new controversy for him and not the first time he's been tested.
 
USPS is NOT tax payer funded.


People still seem to be missing that little point. Now, if we want to get upset about our tax dollars being used to sponsor this kind of stuff we still can. The U.S. Army, which IS tax payer supported, sponsors a NASCAR race team.

That's stupid too. This stuff is NOT what taxpayer dollars are for!!!
 
Double Sigh. If the article said his team received tax payer dollars it would be wrong, but the article didn't say that. Where are you getting this information?

Can you PLEASE go to the very first post. I quoted it straight from the linked source.

It's in black and white. First post.
 
Here: USADA report proves Armstrong used drugs | Sport | Reuters <-- a second source

"The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding."


"The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding."
 
USPS is NOT tax payer funded.


People still seem to be missing that little point. Now, if we want to get upset about our tax dollars being used to sponsor this kind of stuff we still can. The U.S. Army, which IS tax payer supported, sponsors a NASCAR race team.

It is an independent Federal Agency. It is supposed to remain revenue neutral...not make money, not lose money. However with their pension issues in the last few years, we (the taxpayers) had to bail some of their programs out with tax payer money. I think that is the point the others are going for. I see your position as well, and if they held themselves revenue neutral (which they haven't) it may not be a big deal.

Let's play devil's advocate. Let's say that they did in fact remain neutral, however they took 1 Billion dollars a year to fund cardboard boat races down the Mississippi. I would personally not be in favor of that because they are supposed to be delivering a public service. The simpler and easier they do it, minus all the gold plating, and the cheaper it is for us, the tax payer.
 
USPS is NOT tax payer funded.


People still seem to be missing that little point. Now, if we want to get upset about our tax dollars being used to sponsor this kind of stuff we still can. The U.S. Army, which IS tax payer supported, sponsors a NASCAR race team.

The Senate’s foolish USPS bailout—Editorial - NYPOST.com
The US Postal Service is so mired in debt that nothing can save it from going bust — but the Senate is trying to dump a $33.7 billion bailout in its lap anyway.

And the NASCAR team is no longer supported after this year. It was terminated by congress.
 
He lost a testicle. How much more punishment can one suffer than that?

How ironic is that? Steroids are suspected to maybe linked to testicular cancer, although there isn't a lot of evidence of that yet. It only makes sense, though, since steroids contain testosterone and other hormones, that doing steroids would mess with your body big time.
 
Here: USADA report proves Armstrong used drugs | Sport | Reuters <-- a second source




"The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding."

Thank you. Your original link did not contain the sentence you quoted. Perhaps they realized their mistake and removed the sentence. :)

USADA is being disingenuous when they say his team received tax payer dollars. The only subsidies the USPS receives from the government are earmarked specifically toward voting registration/ballot projects, such as overseas voting. No tax payer dollars went to Armstrong's team.
 
It's things like this that baffle me beyond belief. Why do taxpayer dollars go to bicycle teams, puppet shows, or painting a giant salmon on a 747? We're not sure, all we know is that we need more taxes.

....illegal wars that slaughter innocent defenseless civilians in nations that didnt attack the USA, for the purpose of setting up more imperial fascist military bases and continue the theft of energy resources.

Youre right! Its absolutely disgraceful that 1.4 million Iraqi civilians were killed in an illegal immoral war

I wonder who funded these crimes against humanity and why?
 
The only reason the post office is running a deficit is because the Republicans basically sabotaged it by requiring them to pre-pay seventy-five years of pension funds. Something no other entity has ever been required to do.

THIS!

I truly believe the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act is intended to destroy the USPS. The government doesn't require such a thing from ANY other organization. It is requiring them to set aside enough money to fully fund the pensions of USPS employees who haven't even been born yet! And it restricts their ability to raise enough revenue to meet the ridiculous demand.
 
Hmmm...the original link in first post has changed. Phuckers. At any rate, why, or how can you be so sure the team got no taxpayer money?

Are you part of the team? Part of the Feds?

I'm sure the article could be wrong, but I've every reason to believe you could be too.

I would assume those kinds of things might be researched just a bit before they're published.
 
The Senate’s foolish USPS bailout—Editorial - NYPOST.com


And the NASCAR team is no longer supported after this year. It was terminated by congress.

I can't find anything saying such a proposed bailout bill has actually passed yet. It was being proposed against the USPS' wishes but not passed yet. I could be wrong.

As for NASCAR I am fine with that being stopped. I realize it is a little different in that the Army is doing it for recruitment purposes rather than revenue purposes. But I still don't like the appearance of it.
 
Hmmm...the original link in first post has changed. Phuckers. At any rate, why, or how can you be so sure the team got no taxpayer money?

Are you part of the team? Part of the Feds?

I'm sure the article could be wrong, but I've every reason to believe you could be too.

I would assume those kinds of things might be researched just a bit before they're published.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time I have ever been wrong. :)

I listened to a show about it awhile back that included an interview with the Post Master General. It also delved quite a bit into the ridiculous measures Congress has been taking against the USPS, such as funding 75 years of pensions. But a quick Google search brought this up:

The U.S. Postal Service | Need to Know | PBS

Read point# 2.
 
....illegal wars that slaughter innocent defenseless civilians in nations that didnt attack the USA, for the purpose of setting up more imperial fascist military bases and continue the theft of energy resources.

Youre right! Its absolutely disgraceful that 1.4 million Iraqi civilians were killed in an illegal immoral war

I wonder who funded these crimes against humanity and why?
Jesus christ, are you just following me around posting the exact same thing on all of my posts? Have you ever met me before? Read absolutely anything I've ever written?

Please show me one place I've ever supported the wars. Otherwise just shut the hell up and stay on topic.
 
The article clearly states that this witch hunt was financed by taxpayers. Any concerns over that?


"(The) statement confirms the alleged 'reasoned decision' from USADA will be a one-sided hatchet job - a taxpayer-funded tabloid piece rehashing old, disproved, unreliable allegations based largely on axe-grinders, serial perjurers, coerced testimony, sweetheart deals and threat-induced stories," he said.

Armstrong was banned for life by USADA in August after announcing he would not fight the agency's doping charges against him.

Breen said the agency was "ignoring the 500-600 tests Lance Armstrong passed, ignoring all exculpatory evidence, and trying to justify the millions of dollars USADA has spent pursuing one, single athlete for years."
 
The article clearly states that this witch hunt was financed by taxpayers. Any concerns over that?


"(The) statement confirms the alleged 'reasoned decision' from USADA will be a one-sided hatchet job - a taxpayer-funded tabloid piece rehashing old, disproved, unreliable allegations based largely on axe-grinders, serial perjurers, coerced testimony, sweetheart deals and threat-induced stories," he said.

Armstrong was banned for life by USADA in August after announcing he would not fight the agency's doping charges against him.

Breen said the agency was "ignoring the 500-600 tests Lance Armstrong passed, ignoring all exculpatory evidence, and trying to justify the millions of dollars USADA has spent pursuing one, single athlete for years."

Yes, it annoys me. Organizations like this have to prove they are doing something so they pull stuff like this. That said, yeah, I think Armstrong doped. I think practically all the high performing racers dope. If they ALL stopped doping I think Armstrong would still have won all of those races. I don't really care. It is a freaking bicycle race. But I don't think our tax dollars should be in any way involved in sports regulation.
 
Yes, it annoys me. Organizations like this have to prove they are doing something so they pull stuff like this. That said, yeah, I think Armstrong doped. I think practically all the high performing racers dope. If they ALL stopped doping I think Armstrong would still have won all of those races. I don't really care. It is a freaking bicycle race. But I don't think our tax dollars should be in any way involved in sports regulation.

I think the definition of "doping" is not clear and they have changed the rules after the fact. He passed their tests and it should be left at that.
 
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