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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Good.

    Handicapped people have rights too... You can't just ignore them because you "can't afford" to make your restaurant handicap accessible.
    This is not a public building.

    How is a disabled person's life going to be irreparably damaged by not being able to easily use a bathroom at a burger joint?

    This isn't a hospital...this is a fast food place...just eat somewhere else.


    Disabled people should have access to all publicly owned facilities.

    But not to ALL private facilities by law.

    Being hugely fat is a disability.

    Does that mean that every door in every business must be widened so 500 pound people can easily get through them?

    Does that mean every single airline seat must be wider so that these 500 pound people can sit down in them?

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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Couldn't this attorney be brought up on charges of extorsion?
    Not in California. Our state motto might as well be "No Businesses Allowed".
    Why would somebody need to pay him in the law suit. The law suit would be to make the building compliant, not for him to receive money.
    He agrees not to file suit or to give them long extensions if they settle out of court and pay him money.

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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Couldn't this attorney be brought up on charges of extorsion?

    Why would somebody need to pay him in the law suit. The law suit would be to make the building compliant, not for him to receive money.
    Good question, these buildings were in Julian an historic town. All the Julian shop owners fought it like hill, they all wanted to keep the buildings completely original. The San Diego attorney was suing them for no handicapped access. So he went to them and said pay me XX dollars and I will not sue you. If you don't pay I will sue you and win and you will make the modifications and you will pay me my attorneys fees. Making them potentially liable for $125,000 in attorney fees, payable to Pinnock of course. The **** was a real hardass.
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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    If the ADA law is reasonable, why did congress exempt themselves from the law?
    "There shall be no state immunity from action under the ADA, but Congress remains exempt, although it must abide by certain internal requirements. "
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    Originally Posted by Voltaire X

    "Good. Handicapped people have rights too... You can't just ignore them because you "can't afford" to make your restaurant handicap accessible."

    Absolutely right, Voltaire. So the business goes under, will pay no more taxes, its employees are now unemployed and people who enjoyed eating there can go somewhere else. I might be wrong but I think the problem was with the counters. The tables were okay for handicapped people but the counters weren't.

    So, business closed, people unemployed, tax revenues down. Ah, the liberal dream in action. Oh, and not a single handicapped person will ever again sit at one of their tables and eat a damned hamburger. Another liberal dream come true.

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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    True. But apparently the guidelines were in line with the law and this was not challenged.
    The guidelines are irrelevant.
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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Good.

    Handicapped people have rights too... You can't just ignore them because you "can't afford" to make your restaurant handicap accessible.
    Don't ever let anyone tell you you're reasonable, because they'd be wrong.
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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'A decades-old Sacramento, Calif. burger joint is shutting its doors for being out of compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act because the owner says he can’t afford to bring it up to code.

    Ford’s Real Hamburgers has been slinging burgers, fries and shakes for years, but was hit hard in the recession. Now, KTXL-TV is reporting that a local attorney who makes his living filing ADA cases — many on his own behalf — is suing the restaurant — and Ford‘s can’t keep up.'

    Sacramento California Landmark Ford’s Real Hamburgers Forced to Shut Down Over ADA Lawsuit | Video | TheBlaze.com
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    He actually got banned from further.suits.
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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't ever let anyone tell you you're reasonable, because they'd be wrong.
    Care to explain why plenty of small businesses are perfectly fine with complying with a 20+ year old piece of legislation, but this one can't afford to?

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    Re: Landmark calif. Burger joint forced to shut down over ada lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Care to explain why plenty of small businesses are perfectly fine with complying with a 20+ year old piece of legislation, but this one can't afford to?
    Perfectly fine?

    How could a company be forced by government order to incur additional expenses that affect - usually at most - an extremely small portion of their clientele be 'perfectly fine' with it?

    Sure, these companies will publicly claim - for PR purposes - they are 'perfectly fine' with it.

    But privately?

    They will hate yet another layer of expenses forced upon them by government.


    The ones that cater to disabled persons will already have made the changes without the law.

    And those that do not will thus incur added expenses for little/no expected return because of the law.


    I will ask again - how will a person in a wheelchair be irreparably harmed by not having easy access to a restroom in a fast food joint?

    This is not a hospital or a courtroom. It's a burger stand.

    If someone in a wheelchair doesn't want to go in without an easy access restroom?

    Then don't go in.
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