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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The Marine squad leader we know who was in the Helman District came to have a VERY low opinion of the Afghani people, who he saw as dedicated to deliberately remaining ignorant. He recalled talking to one and asking him wouldn't he like for his son to have an education and improve his life. The man replied no, that some day his son would have his sheep herd like he had from his father, so his son's life was determined when he was born, such is the will of Allah.

    The longer he was there, the less he liked them and the more he didn't care what happened to them.
    I have a similar story from a buddy of mine who was in the 101st. He absolutely hates afghans. Specifically, actually. He also did a tour in Iraq, but had nothing too awfully negative to say about them...but he HATES afghans, for the exact reason you cited...a willful determination to remain ignorant. He hated talking to them, dealing with them, etc. Before he got wounded, he said if he had to do ONE MORE tour there, he was gonna quit.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem, Lizzie, is that you cannot walk away from radical Islam because they would have to walk away from you as well, and they are not doing that.

    We saw what happened in Dearborn last week and, as their numbers increase, so will their demands and their militancy. We can also see the growth of radical Islamism on University campuses in many areas of the western world.
    Then I would suggest that we focus on here, and not overseas. We are wasting money and lives fighting battles for them, when he have our own crap to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Then I would suggest that we focus on here, and not overseas. We are wasting money and lives fighting battles for them, when he have our own crap to deal with.
    Ah, but we can't so easily exploit our natural resources here. So it behooves us to "help" fight others wars, in order to "help" them get freedom and democracy, so we can "help" them set up a government, and maybe even make a "suggestion" or two about who should be running the place. Trust me, we aren't over there for free, no strings attached.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Ah, but we can't so easily exploit our natural resources here. So it behooves us to "help" fight others wars, in order to "help" them get freedom and democracy, so we can "help" them set up a government, and maybe even make a "suggestion" or two about who should be running the place. Trust me, we aren't over there for free, no strings attached.
    What problem would you have with doing strictly business, as we do with some other countries?
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Then I would suggest that we focus on here, and not overseas. We are wasting money and lives fighting battles for them, when he have our own crap to deal with.
    Agreed. We have serious problems here in the US that we sould be dealing with. As bad as 9/11 was let's put it into perspective. We have a near failing infrastructure rated at a "D", crumbling inner cities, out of control debt, a disasterous health care system, rampant crime, drugs and violence... we need to focus on here. Put those marines to use in downtown crime infested cities. See what the Cripps do against the Rangers. Solve our problems here.

    Millions without health insurance doesn't get the headlines that four dead in some embassy in some **** backwards country get... sad.
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Then I would suggest that we focus on here, and not overseas. We are wasting money and lives fighting battles for them, when he have our own crap to deal with.
    I'm not certain that in this politically correct environment that much can be done. When political leadership refuses to even acknowledge terrorism when American lives are taken then it seems unlikely that there is the necessary will to deal with that crap you mention.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm not certain that in this politically correct environment that much can be done. When political leadership refuses to even acknowledge terrorism when American lives are taken then it seems unlikely that there is the necessary will to deal with that crap you mention.
    Well, that pretty much bolsters my position that we shouldn't be over there either. If we are unwilling to deal with our domestic terrorist issues, why in the hell would we think we can be effective in the ME?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, that pretty much bolsters my position that we shouldn't be over there either. If we are unwilling to deal with our domestic terrorist issues, why in the hell would we think we can be effective in the ME?
    I agree with you, Lizzie, in principle, but it seems to me that there isn't the will to fight overseas nor is there a sustained public consensus to fight the problems at home. The ACLU and other like-minded groups, including the media, would be doing whatever they can to prevent the American people from acting in their own best interests.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I agree with you, Lizzie, in principle, but it seems to me that there isn't the will to fight overseas nor is there a sustained public consensus to fight the problems at home. The ACLU and other like-minded groups, including the media, would be doing whatever they can to prevent the American people from acting in their own best interests.
    Unfortunately, you are probably right about that. It will have to reach a near-critical level before anyone would do anything. So far, I haven't been hearing of anything that seems to inspire any real fear. I guess we'll just have a wait and see approach. It may not amount to anything, but if it does, in sufficient quantity, something/someone will be forced to resolve it, just due to public outcry if nothing else. I'm just hoping that we don't give up our freedoms, for the sake of it. That's my primary concern at this point in time.
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Unfortunately, you are probably right about that. It will have to reach a near-critical level before anyone would do anything. So far, I haven't been hearing of anything that seems to inspire any real fear. I guess we'll just have a wait and see approach. It may not amount to anything, but if it does, in sufficient quantity, something/someone will be forced to resolve it, just due to public outcry if nothing else. I'm just hoping that we don't give up our freedoms, for the sake of it. That's my primary concern at this point in time.
    It seems to me, and this is true in Europe as well, that the people will start reacting before the government does anything. Politicians are far removed from those whose lives are being changed and resentments will grow. Governments can deal with theories on how the governed should live, and have their ideas implemented on the unaware and unwilling, but eventually those people whose lives have been most effected will strike back.

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