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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    "A spokesman for the Taliban in Pakistan's Swat Valley confirmed the terror organization was behind the shooting of a 14-year-old activist Tuesday.
    Malala Yousafzai was targeted by the Taliban because she is an outspoken advocate and supporter of education for girls. She was shot in the head on her way home from school in the main city of Mingora.


    According to one source inside the Pakistani Taliban, the terrorist organization felt threatened by the young girl because of her pro-west sentiments and promotion of Western cultures, her outspokenness against the Taliban and her love for U.S. President Barack Obama.


    Although the brutal attempted murder of such a young girl was met with outrage among many Pakistanis, a spokesman for the Taliban said they would target the girl again if she survived the shot to the head."

    Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

    As long as there are courageous people like this girl there is hope that someday people will experience those freedoms that many of us enjoy as a way of life. Life among the Taliban is a living hell.
    As long as regular Muslims do not stand up to these animals then people will think that Muslims as a whole condone these animals.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I am not personally willing to invest US tax dollars to fix problems which cannot be fixed by US tax dollars. It's not as if there is mass genocide happening over there, or as if something totally new and unexpected is going on, but that is not the case. We could stay there forever, and waste money and the lives of our own young men, for a bunch of people who don't even like us, and to me, that is insane. We aren't the appointed savior of the world, nor should we be. We can't even afford to take care of ourselves anymore, for God's sake.
    The problem, Lizzie, is that you cannot walk away from radical Islam because they would have to walk away from you as well, and they are not doing that.

    We saw what happened in Dearborn last week and, as their numbers increase, so will their demands and their militancy. We can also see the growth of radical Islamism on University campuses in many areas of the western world.

    Radical Islam gains ground in campuses | World news | The Observer

    http://www.investigativeproject.org/...ts/misc/31.pdf

    The Islamists learned a lot from the Leftists of the 60's and 70's which is to infiltrate the universities, the media and Hollywood. They have had great success since then, with a remarkable 'dumbing down', and that has contributed greatly to the situation we see today.

    It seems that if Americans genuinely wants to isolate itself from Islam and Islamists then they will have to control their borders and enforce stricter immigration laws as well.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I never said that the struggle of women and minorities was as bad as what is going on in some Islamic countries. However, you made it sound like things were great for women before they got the vote. Women were viewed as property, and domestic violence wasn't even taken seriously in this country until about 20 years ago. You should look more into all the injustices women faced for 150 years in this country before they gained the right to vote. They were judged by men in courts. When they left their husbands, the husbands often got the children. If they acted out emotionally, they were put into insane asylums where they got shock treatment to “cure” their emotional illness. It wasn't a pretty picture for a lot of women in this country. You should study the women’s suffrage movement in this country. Then we had the civil rights movement. Prior to this movement, many states in the south could lynch black people when ever they felt those black people where stepping out of their social boundaries. I know it’s hard to see the violence and lack of respect for equal rights in this country in the past, but it doesn’t make our past go away.
    I am also not saying any of this to side with those committing atrocities in those Islamic countries. I am simply saying that if anyone expected the change in these countries to go smoothly, they are fooling themselves.
    Hairytic, the point is not what happened in the US, Canada, Austria or Japan 100 years ago, it is what is happening in much of Islam today, and what can we do about it. If you dig around in any country's past you are sure to find something negative, but how does that help Muslim schoolgirls being murdered today? Or women treated worse than animals? Or Gays being stoned to death or hanged in the public square?

    Some perspective, and some common sense as well, should be used here.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hairytic, the point is not what happened in the US, Canada, Austria or Japan 100 years ago, it is what is happening in much of Islam today, and what can we do about it. If you dig around in any country's past you are sure to find something negative, but how does that help Muslim schoolgirls being murdered today? Or women treated worse than animals? Or Gays being stoned to death or hanged in the public square?

    Some perspective, and some common sense as well, should be used here.
    This all started because someone early on in the thread said something about Afghanis not being ready for domocracy and freedom. I simply pointed out the process to freedom is a long struggle and referenced the US struggle with bringing about equal rights to its people. The problem is, this thread started with the girl in Pakistan being shot, and it went to what is going on in Afghanistan. Pakistan and Afghanistan are countries that opperate very differently. However, the process to bringing about freedom, democracy, and equal rights is the same. It takes generations of hard work to change a culture.

    Some people took offense to what I said, completely ignoring the context it was said in and ignoring history as the evidence.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    ignoring history as the evidence.
    Actually, some of us should be thanking you for illuminating the issue as you have done. I was actually quite startled at how little I knew of the situation.

    I had not realized Pakistan was Arab. For some strange reason, I had listened to my teachers in school when it came time for Geography and world cultures, and so this Arab spring coming to Pakistan took me quite by surprise.

    I also had not realized that the Taliban was struggling as it was because it sought that sweet, sweet freedom. Silly me -- I am the first to admit my guilt in being taken in by the mainstream media which told about their destruction of ancient Buddhist monuments, their systematic brutalization of women and their support for terrorism, I had not realized they only did these things in pursuit of freedom.

    What really embarrasses me, though, is how little I realized 20 years ago that I was living in a culture just like the Pashtun. I mean, there I was raising children and working away and I completely missed it. My goodness, I must have been a fool to have failed to notice that women were chattel. I imagine that all those women teachers of mine as well as the female doctors and lawyers and business people were only telling me otherwise because the men who owned them were telling them to say this. I can think of no other possible reason! To make matters worse -- I hadn't even realized I owned my own wife! Good grief, had I known at the time, maybe I could have given her a few good beatings, a clitorectomy, slapped her in a burka and be done with it. What an idiot I was, not realizing it was all the same here as it is there.

    Do allow me to offer my thanks here for the history lesson you have provided. It is like an epiphany for me here! Oops, I suppose I shouldn't say a word like epiphany that might perturb the Talibani. Perhaps I should just say thank you for this history lesson -- it has been a real eye opener.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    This all started because someone early on in the thread said something about Afghanis not being ready for domocracy and freedom. I simply pointed out the process to freedom is a long struggle and referenced the US struggle with bringing about equal rights to its people. The problem is, this thread started with the girl in Pakistan being shot, and it went to what is going on in Afghanistan. Pakistan and Afghanistan are countries that opperate very differently. However, the process to bringing about freedom, democracy, and equal rights is the same. It takes generations of hard work to change a culture.

    Some people took offense to what I said, completely ignoring the context it was said in and ignoring history as the evidence.
    And what good dod it do to point out something that everyone knows? All is did, as we can see, is to detract from the subject at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Actually, some of us should be thanking you for illuminating the issue as you have done. I was actually quite startled at how little I knew of the situation.

    I had not realized Pakistan was Arab. For some strange reason, I had listened to my teachers in school when it came time for Geography and world cultures, and so this Arab spring coming to Pakistan took me quite by surprise.

    I also had not realized that the Taliban was struggling as it was because it sought that sweet, sweet freedom. Silly me -- I am the first to admit my guilt in being taken in by the mainstream media which told about their destruction of ancient Buddhist monuments, their systematic brutalization of women and their support for terrorism, I had not realized they only did these things in pursuit of freedom.

    What really embarrasses me, though, is how little I realized 20 years ago that I was living in a culture just like the Pashtun. I mean, there I was raising children and working away and I completely missed it. My goodness, I must have been a fool to have failed to notice that women were chattel. I imagine that all those women teachers of mine as well as the female doctors and lawyers and business people were only telling me otherwise because the men who owned them were telling them to say this. I can think of no other possible reason! To make matters worse -- I hadn't even realized I owned my own wife! Good grief, had I known at the time, maybe I could have given her a few good beatings, a clitorectomy, slapped her in a burka and be done with it. What an idiot I was, not realizing it was all the same here as it is there.

    Do allow me to offer my thanks here for the history lesson you have provided. It is like an epiphany for me here! Oops, I suppose I shouldn't say a word like epiphany that might perturb the Talibani. Perhaps I should just say thank you for this history lesson -- it has been a real eye opener.

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    You don't read very well. I never said the Taliban is stuggling for freedom. My original comment was about Afghanistan because it was mentioned on the first page of this thread. Pakistanis in the Middle East. People in many countries in the ME are starting to fight for their equal rights. When I was speakng of American history, I wasn't talking about 20 years ago. Either you can not read well or you do not retain the information you read. I suggest you go back through my posts and get a better grip on what I said before you post another comment on this.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And what good dod it do to point out something that everyone knows? All is did, as we can see, is to detract from the subject at hand.
    Why are you so bent out of shape over what I said? If you don't want a detraction from the subject, then don't respond to my posts.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    The freedom loving people in the ME and that general area will be a struggle not much different than our own struggle for freedom. If you study US history, you will see that all Americans didn't want anything to do with the revolution. Once we won our independence, things didn't just fall into place perfectly. Agianing freedom and equal rights is a hard struggle, and once we get it, it is also a struggle to keep it.
    They have many role models to go by. They too have people who are enlightened. Now they show the willingness to risk their lives to bring about freedom. I see it as a good thing.
    I taught US History. I don't think that you are truly understanding the difference in culture or religion.

    I said nothing of enlightened "people" but I did speak of the "Enlightenment". This was a paradigm shift in thinking about many things but most importantly science and politics and this is something that the people in the Middle East are severly lacking on a cultural level.

    I don't see them risking their lives to bring about freedom but rather a different type of authoritarian rule and the struggle for freedom in the ME and the USA is/was VASTLY different.
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban Shoots 14 Year Old Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    You don't read very well. I never said the Taliban is stuggling for freedom. My original comment was about Afghanistan because it was mentioned on the first page of this thread. Pakistanis in the Middle East. People in many countries in the ME are starting to fight for their equal rights. When I was speakng of American history, I wasn't talking about 20 years ago. Either you can not read well or you do not retain the information you read. I suggest you go back through my posts and get a better grip on what I said before you post another comment on this.
    Pakistan is in South Asia... not the Middle East.

    This all started because someone early on in the thread said something about Afghanis not being ready for domocracy and freedom. I simply pointed out the process to freedom is a long struggle and referenced the US struggle with bringing about equal rights to its people. The problem is, this thread started with the girl in Pakistan being shot, and it went to what is going on in Afghanistan. Pakistan and Afghanistan are countries that opperate very differently. However, the process to bringing about freedom, democracy, and equal rights is the same. It takes generations of hard work to change a culture.

    Some people took offense to what I said, completely ignoring the context it was said in and ignoring history as the evidence.
    Look. We are in the 21st Century. Not the 3rd BCE, 2nd CE 17th or 18th Centuries when all of our "struggles" were taking place. It doesn't take months for news to travel... it takes seconds. We embraced ideas like Greece's democracy, Rome's republic, the Magna Charta, the Enlightened thinkers like Voltaire, Hobbes, Locke, Montesque (sp?), Jefferson and Franklin and the people's of the Middle East did not.

    It is supremely easy, yet naive, to sit back and make the claims that you are. That we struggled for freedom and so are they. They are. Nobody denies that. The issue is that they have a culture and religion that is contrary to what we consider to be good human rights. It is ingrained in their mindset and even those "freedom loving Arabs and such" that come to freedom loving places like the USA and New Zealand still practice forms of oppression on their women. We can all see it. Even many moderate Muslims. I honestly don't think that you are thinking about this as deeply as you think that you are.

    At no time did any of what we now considet our Western governments allow for stoning people to death. For beheading people for being gay. For killing young girls that are raped and allowing the men to go free. For killing anybody that decides to not be Muslim anymore. Nothing close. Not 20 years ago nor 300 years ago.
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