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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Because there is live human interaction with those games, there is a social aspect with real people. That's the real difference it seems.
    When I play Borderlands I usually play with two other friends who come over and we make a night of it. Its a great way to socialize.

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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post

    I can't remember the name of that game, but if you do, you die, period.
    There was one such instance in the first mandatory, turned-optional introduction scene in Modern Warfare 2.
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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There was one such instance in the first mandatory, turned-optional introduction scene in Modern Warfare 2.
    Ah! I'm sure that was it! Thanks Fiddy. That really seemed immoral to me.

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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I wasn't really going to take part until I read this and other posts calling to into question the implications of some of these games.

    1. Indeed, non-gamers are weird? I scoff. The world got along plenty fine without games and gaming culture. Why should we be expected to acquire this habit and devote hours to it in order to be considered, "normal"? As I understand it, the woman in question spent 22 hours a week, when she was actively participating. I don't like to impugn others for what they choose to do in their leisure time, especially as I sit here on this forum. There are many who don't understand the pleasure in that, but I will say, when I've watch the kids gaming in my home, they are less given to being distracted, like when people are talking to them. They will not quit easily until they've gotten to a particular point so they can quit without losing whatever they've "accomplished". This alone, puts it in a different class than TV, movies, books or even board games. Those can immediately be set aside, but the inability, almost universally, of a player to just walk away at any point lest they give something up in the game, troubles me.

    2. Yes, I'm going to go there, violence. Full disclosure, I owned a Colleco console as an adult. I played until I had kids, not every day or even every week, but now and again. My first, and only computer game was Wolfenstein. It came with my first computer. I thought it very violent, but then I reasoned, they're Nazis. I didn't last long on that and it was over for me.

    Over the years, I've watched the games on the computer, PlayStation and XBOX, become more and more personally violent. Grand Theft Auto, "if you shoot the hooker, you can get your money back", and others that give the player the chance to completely abandon all social mores without consequences, alarm me. Spending hours in these "worlds" where one is encouraged to kill, steal and the like, or in one case, it was explained to me won't allow you to protect the innocent. I can't remember the name of that game, but if you do, you die, period.

    I, personally, would get no enjoyment from spending hours killing. I'm not more moral or anything, it just goes against my nature. Endlessly considering how to kill things and then do it, by very violent means, is distasteful for me. So I wonder, why do others like it? Is it healthy? Do they feel even the smallest twinge when they kill the hooker after wards to get their money back? Steeping oneself in violence for hours at a time, it must have some kind of effect. Over and beyond what has been discussed about movies, TV, books and board games.
    It would seem that while it would make sense that it would desensitize people to play games that are just about mindless violence the research would suggest otherwise but I'm not sure how biased the studies were or if they were biased at all.

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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There was one such instance in the first mandatory, turned-optional introduction scene in Modern Warfare 2.
    I remember that. I have absolutely no problem with that section of the game. Its fake violence. Just like fake violence on T.V. or movies which very few people seem to have a problem with.

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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I remember that. I have absolutely no problem with that section of the game. Its fake violence. Just like fake violence on T.V. or movies which very few people seem to have a problem with.
    Aside from that being an issue to me, there were a number of things happening at once with this:
    1) Russia banned the game (receiving criticism from the gaming community) due to a long-history of such violence themselves
    2) Our post-Sept. 11th issues
    3) The game developers and scriptwriters offering half-assed justifications that directly contradicted each other and stood in the face of reality with how the game actually worked.
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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by lyons19901 View Post
    It would seem that while it would make sense that it would desensitize people to play games that are just about mindless violence the research would suggest otherwise but I'm not sure how biased the studies were or if they were biased at all.
    I don't know how biased or not studies are or what questions they would ask to determine that. I do know, that when my oldest was in 1st grade, they asked the parents that we turn off Power Rangers before school. They noticed the fall that arrived on TV, there was significantly more trouble on the play ground and that it migrated into the classroom. I did, I didn't see the problem with waiting til after school, but I didn't follow up to see how well the suggestion was followed nor how much it may have helped. Anecdotal, I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I remember that. I have absolutely no problem with that section of the game. Its fake violence. Just like fake violence on T.V. or movies which very few people seem to have a problem with.
    I have to disagree, it's not like on TV. A player is interacting with it, making the violence happen. Violence on TV, which I'm not a fan of as you can see above, is a passive activity. TV is watched, one has a physically passive response, until like a video game where the player is required to physically take action.

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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Aside from that being an issue to me, there were a number of things happening at once with this:
    1) Russia banned the game (receiving criticism from the gaming community) due to a long-history of such violence themselves
    2) Our post-Sept. 11th issues
    3) The game developers and scriptwriters offering half-assed justifications that directly contradicted each other and stood in the face of reality with how the game actually worked.
    Russia banning the game doesnt really mean anything to me.

    I dont really care about the 9/11 issues either. Its a video game after all. Its not real.

    I dont think they need a justification to include that part of the game. If you ask me it helped the storyline out. It made you understand why Russia invaded the U.S. so you dont look at the Russians as the real bad guys.

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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Russia banning the game doesnt really mean anything to me.

    I dont really care about the 9/11 issues either. Its a video game after all. Its not real.

    I dont think they need a justification to include that part of the game. If you ask me it helped the storyline out. It made you understand why Russia invaded the U.S. so you dont look at the Russians as the real bad guys.
    It's just a game, but you make the defense based on the plotline? Sounds similar to the Infinity Ward man who decided to wear sunglasses to the interview which provided equally contradictory messages.
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    Re: Maine GOP attack Dem for playing World of Warcraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I don't know how biased or not studies are or what questions they would ask to determine that. I do know, that when my oldest was in 1st grade, they asked the parents that we turn off Power Rangers before school. They noticed the fall that arrived on TV, there was significantly more trouble on the play ground and that it migrated into the classroom. I did, I didn't see the problem with waiting til after school, but I didn't follow up to see how well the suggestion was followed nor how much it may have helped. Anecdotal, I know.



    I have to disagree, it's not like on TV. A player is interacting with it, making the violence happen. Violence on TV, which I'm not a fan of as you can see above, is a passive activity. TV is watched, one has a physically passive response, until like a video game where the player is required to physically take action.
    Kids are going to have a harder time understanding the difference between fantasy and reality then adults. Thats why we have the rating system for video games and movies and what not.

    The point is that both are fake violence so I dont see a moral dilemma. The vast majority of people who play video games dont think its ok to go and kill hookers or shoot someone with a sniper rifle or anything like that. They understand that video games are fantasy. So why does it matter if you are physically controlling an electronic character to shoot imaginary bullets at a fake enemy or watching it happen? Thats what I dont get.

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