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Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

Pinkie said:
Ya, the recession has had nothing to do with this.

*Head shaking*

Do you people hear yourselves?
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Is it your contention that if these 47 million people stopped receiving food stamps they would all starve? That their friends, neighbors and families would not help them out?
 
Connery said:
You just cannot separate that which is grammatically connected as glean the proper meaning of the statement. "We don’t believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in opportunity. We believe in a country where hard work pays off and responsibility is rewarded, and everybody is getting a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody is playing by the same rules."
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Yet there doesn't seem to be anyone out there who is claiming otherwise.
 
Grant said:
Seems you were wrong.


I'll accept your numbers that food stamp use increased by 10 million during the eight years of the Bush Presidency but they have increased by 16 million during the four years of the Obama Presidency bringing the numbers up to 47 millions. Adding a further insult to the American taxpayer, his administration has been advertising for more people to get involved in applying for their own food stamps.

Certainly this program, and many others, serve to promote the idea that there is such a thing as a free lunch and everyone should take advantage of it.
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This is close to saying Obama is better than Bush because we had less hurricane damage under Obama.
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Grant said:
Is it your contention that if these 47 million people stopped receiving food stamps they would all starve? That their friends, neighbors and families would not help them out?
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You may not know this, but poor people tend to live in the same neighborhood.
 
Grant said:
Yet there doesn't seem to be anyone out there who is claiming otherwise.
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The person who drafted the post I answered did claim otherwise and I clarified it.
 
What he is trying to say is: Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he can't be used as a barometer for success and he may not have the qualities to lead the country.
 
Mya said:
Since I am not in argument of semantics here.... I will pass the opportunity to answer you.
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The difference between "entitled to" and "earned" is "just semantics".
That's quite an answer right there in itself.

Mya said:
Well, the President should pick up his words more carefully then
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So it IS about semantics, then?

Mya said:
ummm.... I don't know .... why can't he talk clearer? we should not be having trouble here interpreting his meaning.
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If you had been concerned with semantics / the meaning of words, then you might have see that "entitled" means what was intended.
 
Grant said:
Actually it's nothing like that. Analogies are unnecessary as the facts speak for themselves.
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If we stuck to the facts in the first place there would not be such confusion. The OP was righteous, what this thread morphed into is an aberration.

Just read the man's statement and for those who do not wish to listen to the 17 seconds....
 
Grant said:
I guess must have missed that post, as did Barrack Obama.
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You and Barrack Obama have something in common. I never thought you would admit it........:thumbs:
 
4Horsemen said:
I don't even think Obamabots follow politics. I think they are all like the Obamaphone lady, IGNORANT.
youtube "Obamaphone" for a awesome laugh at utter stupidity and ignorance of Obamabots. I would post the link but the goons might ban me again.
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Most humans don't follow politics closely.
And a large number of those who think they do really don't--they just lap up a bunch of talking points.

The decisions to be ignorant about these things is part of the human condition. It's only limited by party in that it's limited to parties made up of humans.
 
Connery said:
Grant said:
If we stuck to the facts in the first place there would not be such confusion. The OP was righteous, what this thread morphed into is an aberration.

Just read the man's statement and for those who do not wish to listen to the 17 seconds....
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I really don't understand the point of this thread. Are rightists complaining because he says that people cannot expect to have success spoon-fed to them, or handed to them on a plate? I thought that that was their schtick. I thought the Right was whole-heartedly against the entitlement culture. If they are now saying that he was wrong in what he said, what would they have had him say?
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RDS said:
What he is trying to say is: Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he can't be used as a barometer for success and he may not have the qualities to lead the country.
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Huh? In which post to this thread did Connery say any such thing?
 
Pinkie said:
You may not know this, but poor people tend to live in the same neighborhood.
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But the advertising programs did not just target poor neighborhoods, they targeted everyone.

Poor neighborhoods are also not restricted area. People are still able to move around.
 
Andalublue said:
I really don't understand the point of this thread. Are rightists complaining because he says that people cannot expect to have success spoon-fed to them, or handed to them on a plate? I thought that that was their schtick. I thought the Right was whole-heartedly against the entitlement culture. If they are now saying that he was wrong in what he said, what would they have had him say?
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My ill-informed guess based on the slew of recent baseless threads is that it's just about bashing Obama w/o regard to the reasonableness of the items used to do so. I suspect there'es been an uptick in productivity at the outrage manufacturing plant--most likely to fill election year orders.

As a race, humans are not prone to be suspicious of what conforms to our expectations and biases. So, it's natural that some of us would just take some of these things as-is even when the items are kinda prima facie silly.


Just my ill-informed guess based on my prejudices about humans, fwiw.
 
Pinkie said:
Grant said:
Analogies certainly appear to be needed. I'm thinking of using shadow puppets next.

Your grasp of cause and effect is just awful.
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Where is your cause and effect here?

Are you saying that because Barrack Obama made the economy so much worse, 17 million more people are now on food stamps? Barrack Obama is claiming he improved the economy while you claim it is dramatically worse.

Who is right?
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Grant said:
But the advertising programs did not just target poor neighborhoods, they targeted everyone.

Poor neighborhoods are also not restricted area. People are still able to move around.
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Did you happen to know that the faster areas of growth in poverty are the suburbs? Did you happen to know that some formerly middle-class people find poverty much more challenging than do most historically poor people?
 
Grant said:
Pinkie said:
Where is your cause and effect here?

Are you saying that because Barrack Obama made the economy so much worse, 17 million more people are now on food stamps? Barrack Obama is claiming he improved the economy while you claim it is dramatically worse.

Who is right?
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So, your big complaint about Obama is that he did not cure the Great Recession? And you believe Romney will?

Exactly what is it that Romney will do to end recession, Grant?
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Pinkie said:
Did you happen to know that the faster areas of growth in poverty are the suburbs? Did you happen to know that some formerly middle-class people find poverty much more challenging than do most historically poor people?
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Okay, so Barrack Obama has made the economy much worse for everyone, and I happen to agree.

I hope you keep that in mind while in the voting booth.
 
Andalublue said:
I really don't understand the point of this thread. Are rightists complaining because he says that people cannot expect to have success spoon-fed to them, or handed to them on a plate? I thought that that was their schtick. I thought the Right was whole-heartedly against the entitlement culture. If they are now saying that he was wrong in what he said, what would they have had him say?
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I notice you never answered my question. If nobody is entitled to success, does that include the people who already have earned it? I would prefer some lip service, for once, about how you are somewhat entitled to keep the fruits of the sucess you earn. The word "entitle" and it's variation doesn't always have to mean government entitlements (though, I'm not surprised that's what you immediately think of. Lol. J/k).
 
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