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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Yes, KBR came much later. But check your facts: Brown and Root was founded the same year as Halliburton, 1919.
    I meant they came to the theater later. In the beginning the military looked for alternatives. They found none. This is a side-show.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I relied upon your statements, the statements of an expert, to draw my conclusion. From each...to each is pretty telling. You said you view each individual's wealth as the nation's wealth. How are your taxes? Are they steeply progressive. If so you are much farther along the path to Marxist socialism than you are willing to admit.
    Look, you haven't got a clue how a marxist government and economy is configured.

    I do did not say an individual's wealth is the nation's wealth. I said that the majority of our wealthy don't have a problem with paying a little more if that is required FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION AND ITS ECONOMY.

    Taxes are progressive in much the same fashion as the US and every other country on the planet. Its obvious you don't have a road map, or you'd realize how foolish your prediction is, and how much you don't know about marxism.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    by the time he is finished the national debt will go from the 7 trillion he has added to it to near 30 trillion and things wont be better. We'll see.
    I'd check that math boss.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Look, you haven't got a clue how a marxist government and economy is configured.

    I do did not say an individual's wealth is the nation's wealth. I said that the majority of our wealthy don't have a problem with paying a little more if that is required FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION AND ITS ECONOMY.

    Taxes are progressive in much the same fashion as the US and every other country on the planet. Its obvious you don't have a road map, or you'd realize how foolish your prediction is, and how much you don't know about marxism.
    And yet you did claim that the central tenet of Canadian government is to take from the people based on their ability to pay. And you did say that people are cared for based upon their needs. You seem quite proud of the plundering mindset that comes from the marxian heart.

    You did say that your taxes are steeply progressive. This was an essential part of Marxism's need to wreck capital formation. It strips the individual of his sovereignty and elevates the dictatorship of the proles.

    And I am pretty certain you were amost gloating about how the wealth of the people is really the wealth of the state. [whisper] You are actually way closer to Radical Karl's utopia than you think.[/whisper]

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I said, "The poor need jobs. They do not need maternalistic government. They need the dignity of standing on their own rather than crouching and kissing the hand that feeds them in return for their vote."

    To which you replied,


    I am somewhat surprised that you do not know where jobs suddenly come from. They come from free people making decisions, choosing, for themselves in freedom, with the smallest possible interference and the fewest possible number of obstacles put in their place by the state. We have not seen that for a very long time. Nor have you. I remember it. It does not seem that you do.
    Really? so why aren't companies creating those jobs in america right now? American corporations have enjoyed 4 years of record corporate profits and have amassed over $5 trilllion in profits that for some strange reason they are not willing to invest in america. You know this freedom kick you're is spurious.
    there has never been a time in the past 100 years of Canadian history, where industry did not have regulations, subsidies, tax breaks etc. . But you seem to be in favour of laissez faire capitalism. Worked real well at the turn of the 20th didn't it? I am constantly amazed that people who espouse such economic freedom, would rather ignore human nature (particularly greed, corruption and ego gratification inparticular). there has never been a laissez faire capitalist system that didn't scew itself up. Hell look at what wall street et.al. did five years ago - or did you conveniently forget what reduced regulations and lack of oversight accomplished?
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    You have a problem with that? Man, healthcare mandates, personal responsibility . . . Republicans will give up any of their values/ideas if they come out of Obama's mouth. He should just recite the Republican platform at the next debate and suddenly Republicans will be the liberal party.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    For a President to say that nobody is is entitled to success in the USA?

    That's plain wrong.
    What the hell are you talking about? My question is, is Obama trying to trick people into believing he's conservative?
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And yet you did claim that the central tenet of Canadian government is to take from the people based on their ability to pay. And you did say that people are cared for based upon their needs. You seem quite proud of the plundering mindset that comes from the marxian heart.

    You did say that your taxes are steeply progressive. This was an essential part of Marxism's need to wreck capital formation. It strips the individual of his sovereignty and elevates the dictatorship of the proles.
    Hahahahahahahah.

    No, the central tenant is to provide for the social compact and that in order to do so, Canadians pay according to their ability to do so. A tad different, but it seems you have trouble even with obvious nuance. We are very proud of the society we have crafted - over multiple generations and multiple political parties in power.

    No, I said our taxes were progressive. I made no mention of steepness. It certainly does not wreck capital formation. How you get this notion of stripping individual sovereignty is beyond me. Individual sovereignty is constrained in every society in one fashion or another. Dictatorship of the proles - now that is just hilarious.

    And I am pretty certain you were amost gloating about how the wealth of the people is really the wealth of the state. [whisper] You are actually way closer to Radical Karl's utopia than you think.[/whisper]
    AGain you attempt to read into my statements meaning that is not there. In Canada, our right to private property is entrenched in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So how do you figure an individuals wealth is really the wealth of the state? OTOH, most canadians recognize that giving back within reason to their nation is appropriate since it is the nation that provided the financial/economic opportunity, helped create our standard of living, enshrined our rights, helped define and certainly implemented our social compact. We view that as all positive reasons for supporting our nation with a few extra bucks here and there.

    You take a different tack. But notions of marxism dancing in your head are perfectly positioned.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Really? so why aren't companies creating those jobs in america right now?
    Because they don't NEED to. If they don't NEED to hire another person, WHY do so, regardless of sales figures?
    American corporations have enjoyed 4 years of record corporate profits and have amassed over $5 trilllion in profits that for some strange reason they are not willing to invest in america.
    American corporations? Almost no such thing anymore, sunny jim. Sure, they might have an OFFICE in the country. But a warehouse? A factory? Not when the cost of doing so is four times that of shipping that work elsewhere.
    You know this freedom kick you're is spurious.
    I doubt his desire for freedom is a simple "kick".
    there has never been a time in the past 100 years of Canadian history, where industry did not have regulations, subsidies, tax breaks etc.
    Ditto for the US.
    But you seem to be in favour of laissez faire capitalism. Worked real well at the turn of the 20th didn't it?
    Yes. Last I checked, it's responsible for the modern world. If you don't LIKE the modern world...well, I assume you live in Canada...lots of space up there to go hardcore back woodsman.
    I am constantly amazed that people who espouse such economic freedom, would rather ignore human nature (particularly greed, corruption and ego gratification inparticular).
    And I am constantly amazed that people who support more government control ignore human nature (particularly greed, corruption and ego gratification)
    there has never been a laissez faire capitalist system that didn't scew itself up.
    Depends on the timeline your looking at. Over a long enough time period, EVERYTHING fails.
    Hell look at what wall street et.al. did five years ago - or did you conveniently forget what reduced regulations and lack of oversight accomplished?
    The housing crisis was a result of our government REQUIRING mortgage companies to approve "minorities" (read: people with worse credit ratings) for home loans. THAT was Clinton's baby. So, the bakers approved these people for loans that they otherwise WOULD NOT HAVE. Because they had more loans and thus more paperwork to plow through, they had to hire more and more staff to handle the load. I mean, overnight, the ellegable customer base for home loans nearly doubled. If you've ever bought a house in the US, you are aware of the amount of crap involved. The banks, fearing (rightly so) that these loans were unstable, sold them off. To investment firms. The investment firms, using perfectly legal means, bundled those toxic loans (toxic = risky) with other LESS risky loans, in order to sweeten the sale, and called them securities, in a nice little bit of double speak. Insurance companies where the major customers for these, because they have to have high assets as a nature of the business they do. All of this continued right on through Bush, up till the crash. Was there corruption involved? A lack of oversight? Yes. On the part of OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. You see, many of our elected officials came to those government jobs BY WAY of jobs at places like Goldman Sachs, or, hey, Bane Capital. And many of them, should they not get re-elected, had those jobs to go BACK to. In other words, they are COMPROMISED. Many of them have SWEET retirement packages, as a result of certain deals done, papers signed, while in office. Some of them have investment returns not allowed to the rest of the general public, more results of the same actions.

    Do you see the problems here? The only REAL corruption we have...is NOT on the private side. It's on the public side.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Hahahahahahahah.

    No, the central tenant is to provide for the social compact and that in order to do so, Canadians pay according to their ability to do so. A tad different, but it seems you have trouble even with obvious nuance. We are very proud of the society we have crafted - over multiple generations and multiple political parties in power.

    No, I said our taxes were progressive. I made no mention of steepness. It certainly does not wreck capital formation. How you get this notion of stripping individual sovereignty is beyond me. Individual sovereignty is constrained in every society in one fashion or another. Dictatorship of the proles - now that is just hilarious.



    AGain you attempt to read into my statements meaning that is not there. In Canada, our right to private property is entrenched in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So how do you figure an individuals wealth is really the wealth of the state? OTOH, most canadians recognize that giving back within reason to their nation is appropriate since it is the nation that provided the financial/economic opportunity, helped create our standard of living, enshrined our rights, helped define and certainly implemented our social compact. We view that as all positive reasons for supporting our nation with a few extra bucks here and there.

    You take a different tack. But notions of marxism dancing in your head are perfectly positioned.
    And the citizens of Canada are most likely OK with this because their government is not composed of corrupted, compromised individuals whose primary purpose is to serve one corporation or another. They don't have a government that is more willing to spend money to take life, than to save it. they don't have a government that is building tanks and jets it's military doesn't need, just to appease the unions that make them. The list goes on and on and on...but the message is, americans, the ones with any amount of sense and money, anyway, have a real problem handing over hard earned money to an entity that, for all intents and purposes, is going to mismanage it, waste it, or outright lose it.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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