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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    does da name Halliburton ring a bell. If you think that republican excrement don't stink just as much a democratic excrement, then you were blind from 2000 to 2008. (id' go back further, but not sure if you were politically/economically aware back in the day).
    Are you familiar with Pavlov's experiments?
    What other firms were able to provide the services that Haliburton provided?
    I have been aware for roughly 40 of my 59 years. And you?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is an easy statement but a wrong one. When your state takes its central tenets, as explained by you, to be a core belief of Radical Karl himself then yours is a Marxist state. You may not yet experience all of the ill effects of Marxism but they are coming, to Canada as they will come to us in the United States.
    Plainly do not know what a marxist state is. ONE of our central tenets is a variation on Marx. to extrapolate that social compact into a marxist future is spurious, ungrounded in fact, and ignores our history. But then again, I shouldn't expect an American to have a clue about our history and the foundation and pillars of our society.

    Do you think I disagree? We have been slowly moving away from the Constitution and toward Marxist European socialism. As have you.
    Sorry man, you are talking out of your hat.


    In the end you will suffer the same fate no matter how proud of your socialism you are today. I believe it is inevitable.
    Well then I suggest you buy a passel of credit default swaps and as any good capitalist you can make a killing when the time comes for america.,


    Those who prefer to be subjects are no doubt pleased with the level of tyranny we have today and would prefer far more in the future. They are children, fools, and knaves. Those of us who are citizens prefer liberty to slavery.
    Sigh, more empty rhetoric devoid of meaning but sounding lofty enough to convince the uneducated and uninformed. Of course, you would have quite the handle on children, fools and knaves, so I won't debate your little character assassination attempt.

    The poor need jobs. They do not need maternalistic government. They need the dignity of standing on their own rather than crouching and kissing the hand that feeds them in return for their vote.
    And where are these jobs going to suddenly appear from? I beleive that the vast majority of those on welfare and food stamps crave the dignity and positive outlook a decent job provides, not to mention the paycheck to support their families. this seems to be the differnce between you and I. You think all those people are lazy welfare queens, while I think of them as temporarily "inconvenienced". You condemn the whole barrel of apples for the few bad ones found in it.


    I cannot speak for Christians. I can speak to your error. You believe that choosing for oneself is greed. I suspect it is because you have no idea what freedom is like. Your way leads to the most awful consequences.
    Interesting that you have no concept of what I'm actually talking about. I didn't imply that "choosing for oneself is greed". I stated quite clearly state that those that think as you do are motivated by greed and prejudice and (i'll add this one now) conceit.

    the Canadian way will not lead to awful consequences. It will lead to continued prosperity and strengthening of our social vision and cultural evolution.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you familiar with Pavlov's experiments?
    What other firms were able to provide the services that Haliburton provided?
    I have been aware for roughly 40 of my 59 years. And you?
    Pavlov and his cute little doggies. I regret I cannot link to your implication here.
    You mean what other firms could offer privitization of warfare services? Or is logisitic services? or a few billion in overbilling services? or build temporary housing that electrocutes shower takers? or multiple instances of rape and abuse of female contractors? there were a ton of other companies. But if you recall at the time, the whole Iraqi shebang was going to be paid for by Iraqi oil - how many US companies got oil contracts after the "end of hostilities"? Cheney's nose grew from washington to LA on that little fiction.

    We are contemporaries. Hitting the big six oh in may.
    so you are aware of the continuing saga of corruption at the highest levels and the plausible deniability that obfuscates matters.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Plainly do not know what a marxist state is. ONE of our central tenets is a variation on Marx. to extrapolate that social compact into a marxist future is spurious, ungrounded in fact, and ignores our history. But then again, I shouldn't expect an American to have a clue about our history and the foundation and pillars of our society.
    I relied upon your statements, the statements of an expert, to draw my conclusion. From each...to each is pretty telling. You said you view each individual's wealth as the nation's wealth. How are your taxes? Are they steeply progressive. If so you are much farther along the path to Marxist socialism than you are willing to admit.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Actual reality and the beliefs found in the minds of some who call themselves 'conservative seldom coincide
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    I said, "The poor need jobs. They do not need maternalistic government. They need the dignity of standing on their own rather than crouching and kissing the hand that feeds them in return for their vote."

    To which you replied,

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    And where are these jobs going to suddenly appear from?
    I am somewhat surprised that you do not know where jobs suddenly come from. They come from free people making decisions, choosing, for themselves in freedom, with the smallest possible interference and the fewest possible number of obstacles put in their place by the state. We have not seen that for a very long time. Nor have you. I remember it. It does not seem that you do.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you familiar with Pavlov's experiments?
    What other firms were able to provide the services that Haliburton provided?
    I have been aware for roughly 40 of my 59 years. And you?
    That's a good question. And the answer to your question about competitors providing the same services is an emphatic NO, particularly since Kellogg and Brown & Root (first offshore platforms), have now been subsumed by Halliburton.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Pavlov and his cute little doggies. I regret I cannot link to your implication here.
    Oh sure you can. And obviously did.

    You mean what other firms could offer privitization of warfare services? Or is logisitic services? or a few billion in overbilling services? or build temporary housing that electrocutes shower takers? or multiple instances of rape and abuse of female contractors? there were a ton of other companies.
    No. There were not. There was one who was able to deliver. Nice try though.

    There were dozens of other companies in Iraq providing services the military wanted to buy. But no other capable of filling the need as Halliburton did.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's a good question. And the answer to your question about competitors providing the same services is an emphatic NO, particularly since Kellogg and Brown & Root (first offshore platforms), have now been subsumed by Halliburton.
    Many companies sprouted up to nibble around the edges. Such is the way of a free market. KBR came later.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Many companies sprouted up to nibble around the edges. Such is the way of a free market. KBR came later.
    Yes, KBR came much later. But check your facts: Brown and Root was founded the same year as Halliburton, 1919.

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