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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "You didn't build that" --Barack Obama
    This was the entire quote, in context, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help." He continued, "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He made a blunder with a fantastic point, one which I believe in.

    I said this in another post , "no one is entitled to success it takes a set of balls, determination, commitment a lot of luck and the right people in your corner." I had the right people: mentors, positive friends, those who wished to see me succeed. While I did the work, I needed their emotional support and professional guidance, without which I do not think I could have succeeded. I built it sure, I also had help, I give back every chance I get too.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That fine and dandy. You can call yourself what you want to call yourself. Its a free country.

    And others can identify what they see in your posts and in your views and compare them to others who sound a whole lot like your are in mutual agreement about many things.

    That is part of freedom and liberty. God Bless America!!!
    That is fine and I agree you are free to do that.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This was the entire quote, in context, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help." He continued, "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He made a blunder with a fantastic point, one which I believe in.

    I said this in another post , "no one is entitled to success it takes a set of balls, determination, commitment a lot of luck and the right people in your corner."
    I had the right people: mentors, positive friends, those who wished to see me succeed. While I did the work, I needed their emotional support and professional guidance, without which I do not think I could have succeeded. I built it sure, I also had help, I give back every chance I get too.
    Do you see the difference between you giving back, as you put it and the government seizing more of the wealth you created to spend as it sees fit?

    This is the great error of socialism and near-socialist governments. They always need more and more and more of our money. Ane eventually they run out. The society collapses.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    By "you", I hope you were referring to Mitt Romney's comments and not my own. I understand very clearly that not everyone within that 47% population group fit nicely into the entitlement narrative. Like Romney, if I take certain tax deductions, exemptions and credits at my income level, I can pay little or no federal income tax, but NOT be on any entitlement program whatsoever yet still be well within that 47% group. So, Romney's comment was just plain stupid!
    That instance of "you" meant "everyone". When we talk about groups, people often look for a small subset as a counterexample. So I'm saying that "most" of the 47% aren't sufficiently responsible and independent. I've said this many times before Romney said it. The level of responsibility people take has dropped over the last several decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'd have to disagree with you here. The speech wasn't about Blacks being painted as victims. His speech emphasized a pervasive problem in this country that has historical context to support his conclusion: that Black communities and African-Americans overall have not always been given a fair shake in this country even in modern times since both Reconstruction (post-Emancipation) and the Civil Rights era. Black Laws enacted by White leaders at local, state and to a lessor degree the federal level have all passed legislation (some as local ordinances) that worked to curtail Black achievements and/or advancements. If you've studied American history - or more specifically Black History - you'd know this to be true.

    However, the President didn't just lay blame on government for undermining African-Americans. He also laid blame squarely at Black people themselves for not taking more responsibility for themselves and their communities. It's the same type of tongue lashing Black historical figures such as Frederick Douglass, Bucker T. Washington, Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. have all stated repeatedly throughout their lives. As such, I don't see why our nation's 44th President should be villified in present-day for echoing those exact same sentiments.

    To put it in perspective: Republicans/Conservatives have been saying all along that poor people whether Black, White, Hispanic, Italian, etc., should do more to take responsibility for themselves. Why then was what Pres. Obama said in that regard so dreadfully wrong simply because:

    1) he said it before a group of majority Black people; and,

    2) he said it using a "Negro Dialect"

    ????

    I get that people want to make that speech (and others) part of a larger argument concerning race relations or picking winners and loser, etc., but I think if people turned off their partisan and/or racial radar and tried to see things in much broader terms (and it helps to know alittle history as well), maybe they'd come to understand that their distain for so many people thinking they are "entitled" to gov't handouts is very much in keeping with our President wanting more people to take responsibility for themselves. The problem here, of course, is the only real way many people will "see" opportunities to move forward is for them to have a job. And so it is incumbant on both the federal government and the private sector to foster employment opportunities since not everyone has the skills, knowledge or even the bravery (let alone the desire) to risk starting a business of their own.
    Obama knew darn well what type of message spouting "...they don't care about New Orleans!" to a black audience would send.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Sorry that your wife had to endore such disrespect, but I think you totally misunderstand the caliber of student the Pres. wants to pursue a college education even from within the African-American community.
    I appreciate your sympathy for how she was treated. You don't know how badly I wanted to go into the school and whip those kids into shape. My point is that before you look at getting more students college opportunities, you need to fix the high schools and their standards. Clearly, high school comes first and college will be a step up and much bigger risk of wasted investment. I can't stand how parents have complained over the years and had discipline all but removed. Did you know that an NFL coach has more challenge flags than the number of referrals a teacher is allowed to write in the school where my wife was teaching Spanish? That put her in the stupid situation of questioning "do I referral this kid for this BS behavior or do I save in case someone does something worse?" If 20 kids are disrupting the classroom then 20 students need to be punished.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree. It's amazing to me that the both sides have an army of script writers, and gaffs still happen.



    as opposed to:



    There's plenty enough "gotcha' moments to go around on both sides. This is one of those. Very poorly written.
    No. Bull****. The president chose his words just fine if you actually listened to the entire thing instead of letting someone clip out one sentence for you. Literally the next goddamned sentence made his statements perfectly clear.

    Here. Let me give an example:

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's amazing to me that the both sides have an army
    Oh my god. MaggieD thinks Obama and Romney both have a private army. Wait, she doesn't? Well she certainly chose her words poorly.

    If they're willing to remove context, no amount of script writing can save you.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This was the entire quote, in context, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help." He continued, "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He made a blunder with a fantastic point, one which I believe in.

    I said this in another post , "no one is entitled to success it takes a set of balls, determination, commitment a lot of luck and the right people in your corner." I had the right people: mentors, positive friends, those who wished to see me succeed. While I did the work, I needed their emotional support and professional guidance, without which I do not think I could have succeeded. I built it sure, I also had help, I give back every chance I get too.
    If Obama would have instead pointed to some successful people and said "they built that" or "they earned it" then maybe he'd get the work ethic in this country raised. Instead, it sends a message of discrediting those who have worked to get ahead. Moreover, this feeds the stupid sense of entitlement in the lower-class if they don't think the higher classes earned their status.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Given who you are I am not surprised at your comments. You are beneath contempt.

    Ah yes, gentlemanly debate is such an endearing quality in some folks


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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This was the entire quote, in context, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help." He continued, "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He made a blunder with a fantastic point, one which I believe in.

    I said this in another post , "no one is entitled to success it takes a set of balls, determination, commitment a lot of luck and the right people in your corner." I had the right people: mentors, positive friends, those who wished to see me succeed. While I did the work, I needed their emotional support and professional guidance, without which I do not think I could have succeeded. I built it sure, I also had help, I give back every chance I get too.
    Obama wants to regulate who succeeds and how much they succeed.

    "redistribution, which I believe in"

    "at some point, you've made enough money"

    Those people that helped you. What was in for them?
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    This quote:

    "Yes, nobody is entitled to success...not while Barack Obama's in the White House!"

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    If Obama would have instead pointed to some successful people and said "they built that" or "they earned it" then maybe he'd get the work ethic in this country raised. Instead, it sends a message of discrediting those who have worked to get ahead. Moreover, this feeds the stupid sense of entitlement in the lower-class if they don't think the higher classes earned their status.
    I do not disagree like I said he bumbled it.

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