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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Interesting viewpoint. So am I correct in assuming that you feel a company showing a profit despite X number of humans being harmed or killed as a direct result of the company's actions is still a "moral" entity?
    Given who you are I am not surprised at your comments. You are beneath contempt.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    A growing number have the moronic sense of entitlement to success without even the pursuit. This is precisely a group Obama is strategically chasing and why Romney's 47% comment is accurate in my opinion. Of course, apply some logic and realize that you exclude those who are truly unable to work or are retired.
    By "you", I hope you were referring to Mitt Romney's comments and not my own. I understand very clearly that not everyone within that 47% population group fit nicely into the entitlement narrative. Like Romney, if I take certain tax deductions, exemptions and credits at my income level, I can pay little or no federal income tax, but NOT be on any entitlement program whatsoever yet still be well within that 47% group. So, Romney's comment was just plain stupid!

    Even Obama, as seen in the 2007 speech recently publicized, feeds the victim mentality to people (especially blacks) and paints being rich as evil.
    I'd have to disagree with you here. The speech wasn't about Blacks being painted as victims. His speech emphasized a pervasive problem in this country that has historical context to support his conclusion: that Black communities and African-Americans overall have not always been given a fair shake in this country even in modern times since both Reconstruction (post-Emancipation) and the Civil Rights era. Black Laws enacted by White leaders at local, state and to a lessor degree the federal level have all passed legislation (some as local ordinances) that worked to curtail Black achievements and/or advancements. If you've studied American history - or more specifically Black History - you'd know this to be true.

    However, the President didn't just lay blame on government for undermining African-Americans. He also laid blame squarely at Black people themselves for not taking more responsibility for themselves and their communities. It's the same type of tongue lashing Black historical figures such as Frederick Douglass, Bucker T. Washington, Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. have all stated repeatedly throughout their lives. As such, I don't see why our nation's 44th President should be villified in present-day for echoing those exact same sentiments.

    To put it in perspective: Republicans/Conservatives have been saying all along that poor people whether Black, White, Hispanic, Italian, etc., should do more to take responsibility for themselves. Why then was what Pres. Obama said in that regard so dreadfully wrong simply because:

    1) he said it before a group of majority Black people; and,

    2) he said it using a "Negro Dialect"

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    I get that people want to make that speech (and others) part of a larger argument concerning race relations or picking winners and loser, etc., but I think if people turned off their partisan and/or racial radar and tried to see things in much broader terms (and it helps to know alittle history as well), maybe they'd come to understand that their distain for so many people thinking they are "entitled" to gov't handouts is very much in keeping with our President wanting more people to take responsibility for themselves. The problem here, of course, is the only real way many people will "see" opportunities to move forward is for them to have a job. And so it is incumbant on both the federal government and the private sector to foster employment opportunities since not everyone has the skills, knowledge or even the bravery (let alone the desire) to risk starting a business of their own.

    Instead, someone needs to whip the work ethic in this country into shape. My wife just quit her job at a high school after three lectures because about 25 of her 30 students were disrespectful and one even physically assaulted her. The 2nd day of class, a student tried to insist the classroom door be open during lecture and tried to physically push my wife when she blocked to student from the door. This is the kind of punk Obama wants "entitled" to college? Instead, teach your "culture" the respect and work ethic to earn scholarships. This generalizes to requiring people to earn any type of aid desired.
    Sorry that your wife had to endore such disrespect, but I think you totally misunderstand the caliber of student the Pres. wants to pursue a college education even from within the African-American community.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Has the one term Marxist ever said...
    Before we continue with this dialogue can you give me an example of legislation that Obama helped push through that can be considered Marxist?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Does this mean you support the government giving billions of dollars to Obama campaign bundlers? Crony capitalism is not capitalism. And money laundering, even when done using the federal government to take dollars from one group, taxpayers, to give to another group, Friends of BHO, in order to enrich the Friends who in turn give the Democratic Party Machine contributions, is still wrong.

    Obama picking losers. Here is the video:

    My comment had nothing to do with what a President's Administration does with campaign donations once such contributions are made. Mine was to remind the reader that the public as legally registered voters have a Constitutional right (hopefully as part of a well-informed electorate) to support the political candidate and/or political party of their choice and campaign finance is part of that - nothing more.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Given your level of success do you agree with Obama that you are not entitled to (your) success? Given that "You didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen" are you willing to have the government take most of it from you? I believe his goal is to make it acceptable to the citizens for the government to take more from you since you had help along the way.
    I believe you are taking his statement out of context. Nevertheless, while I do not live in fear of losing whatever success(money) I may have acquired, I am no more guaranteed to keep than anyone else. I am entitled to my degrees, I am entitled to own various forms of property. The value of each is mostly out of my hands, I can maintain them but the market will dictate their value.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That sure as hell isn't what Obama meant. He constantly harps about giving people oppurtunity, as if the oppurtunity is controlled by someone, or something.

    No doubt, he wants the government be in control of of who succeeds and who doesn't. Mostly, who doesn't, IMO.
    That is an interesting point. Can you provide an example with source material?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by KopeAcetic View Post
    Before we continue with this dialogue can you give me an example of legislation that Obama helped push through that can be considered Marxist?
    Are you new here too?

    Whether or not he has succeeded in turning the nation into a European Socialist nation based upon Radical Karl's writings is not relevant to his fundamental beliefs. In addition to being steeped in Marxism he is also an opportunist. He is using fascism in the form of massive regulations to bring the nation to its knees, preparing it for more radical changes.

    Things take time. Despite the radicalization of most of the Democratic Party Radical Barack could not move us to socialism in one term. But if Obamacare is not repealed that is our fate.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    That is an interesting point. Can you provide an example with source material?
    "You didn't build that" --Barack Obama
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My comment had nothing to do with what a President's Administration does with campaign donations once such contributions are made. Mine was to remind the reader that the public as legally registered voters have a Constitutional right (hopefully as part of a well-informed electorate) to support the political candidate and/or political party of their choice and campaign finance is part of that - nothing more.
    So you are completely fine with the money laundering as long as we don't identify it and discuss it. Um-kay.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I believe you are taking his statement out of context. Nevertheless, while I do not live in fear of losing whatever success(money) I may have acquired, I am no more guaranteed to keep than anyone else. I am entitled to my degrees, I am entitled to own various forms of property. The value of each is mostly out of my hands, I can maintain them but the market will dictate their value.
    Actually I put his statement into the context of Obama's consistent narrative.

    Given that are you entitled to your success or not? If he wins he is coming after you unless you are a major campaign contributor or bundler.

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