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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ahhhh.... the Libertarian Dream...... the Randroid Utopia ....... the Nirvana of Selfishness.

    We could add to it
    *** no worker rights
    *** no labor unions
    *** no government regulations on Big Business
    *** no consumer protection legislation
    *** no protection for minority rights
    *** no public services
    You ever notice that Libertarians/Conservatives seem to relate societal decline with every period where people have been given the protections of the law? Think of it. 1868, 1919, 1959, 1964, 1968, - all terrible years to Republicans and Libertarians. Anything from 1776 to 1848? Great times we should hope to relive. A time where the founders, a group comprised of everything from racists, to sexists, adulterers and religious zealots lived. Those are the people we should look up to, admire and hope to live like. Lolz.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ahhhh.... the Libertarian Dream...... the Randroid Utopia ....... the Nirvana of Selfishness.

    We could add to it
    *** no worker rights
    *** no labor unions
    *** no government regulations on Big Business
    *** no consumer protection legislation
    *** no protection for minority rights
    *** no public services

    What do you mean by Randroid Utopia? For one, I have no idea what Randroid means and two, who said anything about a Utopia?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And therein lies the problem.

    And you better have really good palace security.
    I'd suggest buying corn oil futures.

    I get the feeling my Kingdom will be using lots o' boiling oil to pour over the Castle's walls on the moochers trying to get in!

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I agree with your formulation. I do not agree with Obama's formulation. You are entitled to your success. You earned it. He believes you didn't earn it. Someone else made that happen. And, therefore, the government can take the fruits of your success away from you, as you are not entitled to it.
    How would the government do this? Taxes?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You ever notice that Libertarians/Conservatives seem to relate societal decline with every period where people have been given the protections of the law? Think of it. 1868, 1919, 1959, 1964, 1968, - all terrible years to Republicans and Libertarians. Anything from 1776 to 1848? Great times we should hope to relive. A time where the founders, a group comprised of everything from racists, to sexists, adulterers and religious zealots lived. Those are the people we should look up to, admire and hope to live like. Lolz.
    A most excellent observation. They also seem to be wildly in love with the Gilded Age from 1877 when Reconstruction ended up to the start of the 20th century which they mark as the beginning of the end. I think even the most hardcore right libertarian knows they cannot bring back the age of the tri-cornered hat - no matter how they crave that particular fashion statement - but a return to the Gilded Age would please them to no end. Ah .... to live in the age of five year old boys going down into coal mines for a potato at the end of the day. To see little girls in sweat shops going crazy from trying to unravel large balls of thread as their mothers try not to get burned to death when the fire starts. Women treated like farm animals and workers told to take it or leave it. Freedom and liberty.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Though he believes people are entitled to healthcare, an education, food, and much much more. That part of his comment was a filthy blatant lie.
    Wrong again.

    Pres. Obama does NOT believe that people are entitled to healthcare, education, food, etc. What he believes is that when the economy is bad and people are sufferring from the loss of employment and they no longer have access to these things because their earnings have greatly diminished, government at all levels can help by providing minimum healthcare benefits, minimum educational opportunities and basics in food nutrition to those who are in need. IMHO, it is the states that foster the entitlement mentality moreso than the fed by NOT providing re-employment, re-education, re-training resources in partnership with federal programs so that people can get off entitlement programs where practical. Moreover, I've long be an advocate of placing limitations on how long or how much of an entitlement a person or household can receive. IMO, 2-4 years is long enough for most people below the age of 65 to find something worthwhile that can lead them to financial security where one can get back on his or her feet. Unfortunately, too often the states allow the revolving door to entitlement programs to remain open to those who would abuse it in some cases from craddle to grave. This is where my disclaimer comes in...

    Not everyone who is on an entitlement program (i.e., food stamps, Medicaid) want to be on them. I meet people every day - folks who are small business owners - who swallow their pride and reluctantly apply for Medicaid. I also hear from people every day who call my office just to CANCEL their Medicaid because either the husband or the wife found a decent paying job AND WANT TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE whether it's through the All-Kids program or the private sector. But I also hear from people who honestly believe they are entitled to federal health care benefits, people who will call or storm into my office all but demanding "where's my Medicaid?". Of course, among these such people are those who have young children with serious health problems and the only way they can afford the child's medicine is to be on Medicaid.

    My point here is people have varying reasons for applying for government programs, but most today are either economic in nature OR they really do have a serious healthcare needs (mostly their kids, not the adult applicant). IMHO, the system at the state-level doesn't do enough to wean most able-bodied applicants off federal entitlement programs. Instead, they keep that revolving door open for some people to walk right back in. Of course, there's also this thing called "personal empowerment" - wanting to do better than to live off a taxpaying system that provides mimimal benefits. But when the cost of those benefits is less than $5 (I'm speaking of Medicaid co-pays here, folks), can you blame most poor people from holding on to such entitlements?

    We can do better, people. I do believe that government does have a role to play, but that mantra has been soarly over-hyped by people in power who would rather demean its meaning than to do more to streamline the entitlement systems currently in place at ALL levels and close that revolving door.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd suggest buying corn oil futures.

    I get the feeling my Kingdom will be using lots o' boiling oil to pour over the Castle's walls on the moochers trying to get in!
    You do realize that what you are talking about wouldn't be nearly as high priced, right?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Put it another way. What he is saying to everyone is:

    There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
    ...unless you are a major campaign bundler for the one term Marxist. Then not only is there a free lunch, it will be catered and you have to give your dessert to the democratic party machine. But don't worry. When the dust settles you will be a liberal young money millionaire. And truly, in this case, somebody else really did make that happen.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd suggest buying corn oil futures.

    I get the feeling my Kingdom will be using lots o' boiling oil to pour over the Castle's walls on the moochers trying to get in!
    There is a line from GANGS OF NEW YORK when the riots start and some of the mansions on Fifth Avenue get attacked ... one of the rich swells says not to worry because they will simply hire half of the poor to kill the other half.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    All we need to do is and in social justice and his thought is complete. His argument is that not everybody gets a fair shot. We are not all tall, dark and handsome or well-built, comely and attractive. We do not have the same IQ. We do not all make good decisions.

    Everybody does their fair share? What does that mean? To the one term Marxist it means that some should pay the way for the rest.

    Everybody is playing by the same rules...he is a liar, of course, what rules did his campaign contributors play by? He used the taxpayer to enrich his contribution bundlers at our expense.
    We all have the same opportunities in relation to the US. I know I did and if there was anyone who would be least likely to succeed it is someone like me. Wrong side of the tracks etc etc. I was provided with opportunity and moved on it.

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