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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Don't confuse people about the differences between the meaning of "the right to pursue happiness" and the "right to happiness". Some minds can't handle such concepts.
    What right to pursue happiness are you talking about?
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically what you saying that in order to ensure opportunity we must entitle them to the fruits of others labor.

    Yeah, that doesn't really work.
    Should people be denied education based on the fact that they can't pay for it? 19th century thinking which gave us this:



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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which does not change the nature of the equation involved. There are neither free lunches, nor free education to be had in the real world.
    It speaks to the absurdity of the poster and their abysmal ignorance of the last century and a half of American history.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is it in a nutshell. "Obama has blasted Romney's tax plan for disproportionately benefiting the wealthy. The report by the centrist Tax Policy Center found that Romney's tax cuts would boost after-tax income by an average of 4.1 percent for those earning more than $1 million a year, while reducing by an average of 1.2 percent the after-tax income of individuals earning less than $200,000."
    No, they didn't. They found that those numbers would be the result if they ran a program that wasn't Romney's, but had some shouting similarities to it.


    So, for example, if I were to take Obama's claim that he wants the wealthy to pay "a little bit more" to help with the deficit, and instead of taking his proposed increases of 3.5% points, said "okay, in order to fix the deficit we have to tax the wealthy at 185%".... and then I were to calculate the jobs that would be lost from imposing a tax rate like that, and then blame Obama's plan for those job losses... that would be silly. And that is just what has happened here.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The money that is taxed is earned by ______.
    Apparently your keyboard malfunctioned.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It speaks to the absurdity of the poster and their abysmal ignorance of the last century and a half of American history.
    The poster never claims that we have not had tax-supported education. He claims explicitly that public education is supported by taxes.


    What do you think it is supported by? Magic money trees?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The poster never claims that we have not had tax-supported education. He claims explicitly that public education is supported by taxes.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't expect Mya to respond to such a question. They pounced on the statement and now run away from their flawed interpretation of it.
    he source article was poorly written and I am glad this came. I needed to the United States Code, the history of the term "fair share" and put it with context in order to fully understand what this issue was about. The source should have given more instead glossing over such important information.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    he source article was poorly written and I am glad this came. I needed to the United States Code, the history of the term "fair share" and put it with context in order to fully understand what this issue was about. The source should have given more instead glossing over such important information.
    Good way of avoiding the fact that Mya royally screwed up in her assertion that one is in fact entitled to success. Well, I guess it did create some forum activity.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, they didn't. They found that those numbers would be the result if they ran a program that wasn't Romney's, but had some shouting similarities to it.


    So, for example, if I were to take Obama's claim that he wants the wealthy to pay "a little bit more" to help with the deficit, and instead of taking his proposed increases of 3.5% points, said "okay, in order to fix the deficit we have to tax the wealthy at 185%".... and then I were to calculate the jobs that would be lost from imposing a tax rate like that, and then blame Obama's plan for those job losses... that would be silly. And that is just what has happened here.

    That is how the issue is fashioned. Moreover, "Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said she could not respond to the center's report without reading it first." Do you have any back up for your assertions. If so please post it with sources.

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