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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Meh...Ivy league schools are passe. SO you want to pretend you ARENT going to work to help your child get into a GOOD school and help pay for that school? Really? Really? Nah...I kinda doubt little miss young money is going to be struggling through community college and carrying a 60k student loan debt trying to get a degree in massage and aroma therapy. Amiright? You are going to HELP her. And shame on you if you dont. (and if you are really idiotic enough to believe that getting into an Ivy league school based on your parents is a 'republican' thing, you are far more foolish than I beleive)
    Here, I'll give you some parenting advice seeing as how you don't seem to have it already. Maybe it'll help you with your future kids because the last ones you had probably didn't get this type of parenting. My parenting? Very simple. I help my kid do her homework over Skype. Send her books to read etc. If she wants to read them? Good of her. If she takes my teaching seriously? Good for her. Is she entitled to a good university simply because I have money? Of course not. She has the next 12 years to try and take advantage of the opportunity which she's being given. If she doesn't? Too bad. However even if she does take advantage of it, she's not entitled to any kind of success by taking advantage of those opportunities. It's up to her.



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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well I think it means we are in for a down-to-the-wire race; with a slight advantage to the President there. He spent a lot of money and time defining Romney in the worst ways possible in Ohio, and saw alot of success. I attribute the rapid-falling-off of that success to the failure of the narrative; people saw Romney in the debates and he didn't seem to be the blood thirsty vampiric corporate raider that he had been painted as.
    OMG, yes. One benefit of our government: after the election, the annoying political ads stop.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    Well, that was a tad harsh, donca think?

    I don't believe I'm a partisan hack.

    I don't think so either, but your message suggested hackery in that you don't know what he did and regards to Staples, but assert it must have been evil things. Then again, you could have been using satire - like I was.

    Reorganizing companies doing down the toilet likely does require layoffs, closing locations, and other "harsh" measures, for which the alternative is bankruptcy for which everyone - including all investors, all employees and all pensioners lose everything.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I can't think of a time that someone told me to get off a thread has ever worked.

    Do you have any actual response to my point that your defense is your arguing that apples aren't apples? That there is no real difference between being entitled to success and entitled to pursue success - just as there is no difference between being entitled to air and entitled to pursue breathing air - to a person in air.
    As 10 other posters in this thread (of all kinds of ideologies) have argued, you simply don't have a right to success. You have a right to opportunity and the significant difference is in the way in which rights are described in various. Right to PURSUE happiness. Not right TO happiness
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I'm guessing Romney "saved" Staples by laying off workers, eliminating the pension and lowering wages.

    Am I warm?
    Nope . Staples was start-up straight investment capital.


    Which isn't to say that it is bad to save some jobs instead of losing all jobs. Simply that Romney (as I understand it) didn't have to do that in this instance.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post


    I don't think so either, but your message suggested hackery in that you don't know what he did and regards to Staples, but assert it must have been evil things. Then again, you could have been using satire - like I was.

    Reorganizing companies doing down the toilet likely does require layoffs, closing locations, and other "harsh" measures, for which the alternative is bankruptcy for which everyone - including all investors, all employees and all pensioners lose everything.
    Well, as I have said, I watched this go on. The object was to make money, and the targets were only sometimes "companies on the verge of bankruptcy". Most were better characterized as having riches that had not been plundered, such as employee pension plans.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yes, that's exactly what it means. No one is entitled to win. You are given fair rules in the game, and you may win or lose based on your own steam.
    If there is one thing that can be said about that comment that is negative is that when he says 'opportunity' he means with the chance of welfare assistance. In effect he saying, with the use of other people. That is not what it really means to people that really believe in it, but I guess that is for a different day.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Nope . Staples was start-up straight investment capital.


    Which isn't to say that it is bad to save some jobs instead of losing all jobs. Simply that Romney (as I understand it) didn't have to do that in this instance.
    Whatever he may have done was to make a profit, which is not the goal of government, thank God.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Oh I'm sure he sent out hit squads to kill pensioners and excess workers given how much Romney liked for people do die.

    Of course, that pathological liar Romney probably would say they injected cash and credit and restructured the company to pull it back from bankruptcy that so many other retailers were going thru, but that can't be it given how purely evil Romney is. That's the reason he wants to be president too. As president he can destroy the most people possible to try to satisfy his bloodlust.
    Haven't you heard? Mitt Romney is the head of SPECTRE.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As 10 other posters in this thread (of all kinds of ideologies) have argued, you simply don't have a right to success. You have a right to opportunity and the significant difference is in the way in which rights are described in various. Right to PURSUE happiness. Not right TO happiness
    Don't confuse people about the differences between the meaning of "the right to pursue happiness" and the "right to happiness". Some minds can't handle such concepts.

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