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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I wonder...did anyone actually watch the video? Something very telling is the response of the crowd. Know what? They are going through the motions. The thrill is gone.
    There is an odd complacency. You could be right.

    Obama has a 12% lead in Ohio, and no GOP candidate has ever won without this state. I'll be flabbergasted if Obama is not reelected.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? I didn't know belief in a right to opportunity was exclusive to Pauligans. Oh wait, you're doing that thing where you come up with a nonsequitur to avoid the fact that you don't have a point. Lolz oh you.
    My point is not about you personally, it is just interesting to see the degree you go as a partisan. If Obama had said that people are entitled to success, by your other messages you would be likely defending it.

    Your logic does not work. When Obama says people are entitled to health care, by your logic the correct response is that a person is not entitled to health care, rather they have a right to go to the doctor and obtain health care - but they actually have to go to the doctor or hospital themselves. A person has a right to pursue health care, but they are not entitled to health care coming to them. Or such nonsense as your message defenses are.

    Why your messages are hackery is that you don't just give the reasonable response of "Obama could have worded that better. What he clearly meant was..." Instead, you go to Ron Paul's self reliance hard stances and defend those. Your messages in toto show that Obama's words are the omniscient words of your god, for which you will rationalized god-goodness and truth as defense. That appears what you are doing in your messages on this thread.

    In real terms, a person is entitled to success and a person is entitled to pursue success really means the same thing in real terms.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    For a President to say that nobody is is entitled to success in the USA?

    That's plain wrong.
    Hatuey is correct. You've mistaken equal opportunity with equal outcome. This is a very distinct difference.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Such as BETTER opportunities. BETTER support. BETTER access to colleges. Oh no...I think we BOTH understand the "land of opportunity" quite well. I came from a pretty ugly home situation, busted my ass, built a future, and created opportunities for my kids and grandkids. I taught them hard work and then provided them the opportunity to start life on the 4th and 5th step and not the basement floor. I suspect you are doing similarly for your child. And BTW...thats the same thing Romneys dad did. Your child is 'entitled' to a better life merely from the benefits and advantages you provide. Does that mean she doesnt have to still work hard? Of course not. Just that her starting point is different.
    Ignoring your bland rhetoric aside, better colleges? Kk, you live in the world where people get into colleges because of family connections (Bush, Romney etc). My money aside, I don't have that kind of connection with the world and even if I did, my daughter would still have to get the grades in order to make it into those colleges seeing as how I'm not willing to "donate" to a school just so my kid gets a free ride through it. Your nonsense aside you've failed classically on your point. People simply aren't entitled to success. That's a Republican idea. You know, your daddy gives money to a school? Why shouldn't you be a B- student at an Ivy League university?
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    There is an odd complacency. You could be right.

    Obama has a 12% lead in Ohio, and no GOP candidate has ever won without this state. I'll be flabbergasted if Obama is not reelected.
    "Flabbergasted" is an age revealing word. A pretty cool word. Its still Obama's election to win, but Romney's now in the game anyway.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    There is an odd complacency. You could be right.

    Obama has a 12% lead in Ohio, and no GOP candidate has ever won without this state. I'll be flabbergasted if Obama is not reelected.
    Obama has a one point lead in the post-debate polling. Though (critically) he has reached the 50% threshold.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Staples isn't the only company of course. Did you listen to the speech by the founder of Staples? You really should start doing your own research.

    And it is the board of directors who decides which companies are worthwhile trying to save, or in which to invest. You really don;t know much about this do you. It seems you just don't get it.
    I'm guessing Romney "saved" Staples by laying off workers, eliminating the pension and lowering wages.

    Am I warm?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    There is an odd complacency. You could be right.

    Obama has a 12% lead in Ohio, and no GOP candidate has ever won without this state. I'll be flabbergasted if Obama is not reelected.
    Frankly, I believe he will as well. I think Romney was not far off about that 47%, and add to that many well meaning sincere liberals that truly believe the democrat way is better...it should be enough to carry the election fairly soundly. I believe that also means that by the time he is finished the national debt will go from the 7 trillion he has added to it to near 30 trillion and things wont be better. We'll see.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Hatuey is correct. You've mistaken equal opportunity with equal outcome. This is a very distinct difference.
    Entitled to success doesn't mean "equal outcome." Your logic/rationalism defense is just inaccurate.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obama has a one point lead in the post-debate polling. Though (critically) he has reached the 50% threshold.
    If it has fallen 11% in a week, then it's a meaningless result and anyone could win.

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