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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Analogies certainly appear to be needed. I'm thinking of using shadow puppets next.

    Your grasp of cause and effect is just awful.
    Where is your cause and effect here?

    Are you saying that because Barrack Obama made the economy so much worse, 17 million more people are now on food stamps? Barrack Obama is claiming he improved the economy while you claim it is dramatically worse.

    Who is right?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But the advertising programs did not just target poor neighborhoods, they targeted everyone.

    Poor neighborhoods are also not restricted area. People are still able to move around.
    Did you happen to know that the faster areas of growth in poverty are the suburbs? Did you happen to know that some formerly middle-class people find poverty much more challenging than do most historically poor people?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post

    Where is your cause and effect here?

    Are you saying that because Barrack Obama made the economy so much worse, 17 million more people are now on food stamps? Barrack Obama is claiming he improved the economy while you claim it is dramatically worse.

    Who is right?
    So, your big complaint about Obama is that he did not cure the Great Recession? And you believe Romney will?

    Exactly what is it that Romney will do to end recession, Grant?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Did you happen to know that the faster areas of growth in poverty are the suburbs? Did you happen to know that some formerly middle-class people find poverty much more challenging than do most historically poor people?
    Okay, so Barrack Obama has made the economy much worse for everyone, and I happen to agree.

    I hope you keep that in mind while in the voting booth.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post

    I really don't understand the point of this thread. Are rightists complaining because he says that people cannot expect to have success spoon-fed to them, or handed to them on a plate? I thought that that was their schtick. I thought the Right was whole-heartedly against the entitlement culture. If they are now saying that he was wrong in what he said, what would they have had him say?
    I notice you never answered my question. If nobody is entitled to success, does that include the people who already have earned it? I would prefer some lip service, for once, about how you are somewhat entitled to keep the fruits of the sucess you earn. The word "entitle" and it's variation doesn't always have to mean government entitlements (though, I'm not surprised that's what you immediately think of. Lol. J/k).

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay, so Barrack Obama has made the economy much worse for everyone, and I happen to agree.

    I hope you keep that in mind while in the voting booth.
    I live in Ohio, Grant. I'd give Obama a B on the economy. There are other performance areas on which I'd give him a much lower grade, and no, he did not clue in that we were in trouble as fast as I would have liked. OTOH, there was never a day in his presidency that he wasn't working on it.

    I'd give Romney an F, based upon what I believe the impact of his policies would be. As I mentioned, I lived through the Recession of the 1970's and I have no faith whatsoever in "trickle down economics".

    I am baffled that anyone still believes this could work, but apparently, some do.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I live in Ohio, Grant. I'd give Obama a B on the economy. There are other performance areas on which I'd give him a much lower grade, and no, he did not clue in that we were in trouble as fast as I would have liked. OTOH, there was never a day in his presidency that he wasn't working on it.

    I'd give Romney an F, based upon what I believe the impact of his policies would be. As I mentioned, I lived through the Recession of the 1970's and I have no faith whatsoever in "trickle down economics".

    I am baffled that anyone still believes this could work, but apparently, some do.
    Wait. You lived through the recession of the 1970s..... did you live through the recovery of the 1980s? Who do you think was President when?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Obama qualified this statement with the second part of the sentence. It has to be read together otherwise there will be a mass of confusion. Entitlement is a matter of law or some other means where someone declares they are due success and that is not the case in this situation.

    You just cannot separate that which is grammatically connected as glean the proper meaning of the statement. "We donít believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in opportunity. We believe in a country where hard work pays off and responsibility is rewarded, and everybody is getting a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody is playing by the same rules."
    Excuse me, but in my very first post in this thread I stated that I have no problem with the first part. I also didn't mention any problem with the part about everyone getting a fair shot or playing by the same rules. As I've stated, I have questions about the "everybody is doing their fair share" part. Plus, this isn't the first time Obama has uttered that phrase. He said it during the debates and, at that time, there was no mention of any entitlements. I want to know what that phrase means.

    Like every one else who has responded to me, you have avoided answering my questions. Thank you, Connery...for nothing.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wait. You lived through the recession of the 1970s..... did you live through the recovery of the 1980s? Who do you think was President when?
    Reagan, but I do not credit him with the recovery. Anymore than I hate on Carter for the recession.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Excuse me, but in my very first post in this thread I stated that I have no problem with the first part. I also didn't mention any problem with the part about everyone getting a fair shot or playing by the same rules. As I've stated, I have questions about the "everybody is doing their fair share" part. Plus, this isn't the first time Obama has uttered that phrase. He said it during the debates and, at that time, there was no mention of any entitlements. I want to know what that phrase means.

    Like every one else who has responded to me, you have avoided answering my questions. Thank you, Connery...for nothing.
    Just because you don't care for my answers does not mean they do not exist.

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