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Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

Obama's words were taken out of context. The same has been done to Romney many times during this campaign season. More to come. It's a part of the campaigning process and has been since the first American election campaign. Campaign staff look for anything they can do this with, and they know their diehard followers will carry the ball and keep it in the news. Hell, it's what created HuffPro and Drudge, stuff taken out of context by the opposition, framed to be something it's not.
 
Misterveritis said:
This is the great error of socialism and near-socialist governments. They always need more and more and more of our money. Ane eventually they run out. The society collapses.
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Not so. By your measure we here in Canada are extreme socialists. But, we manage to control the size of our government, provide a strong social safety net, and rank up near the top of the list in quality of life, quality of opportunity, best placed to do business, etc. And we have single payer healthcare AND strictly enforced financial regulations that helped us avoid the worst of your financial calamities. Americans absolutely gag at the total tax burden on canadians (tax freedom day is mid june)but to the majority of us, it simply is what it is.
 
Jonsa said:
Not so. By your measure we here in Canada are extreme socialists. But, we manage to control the size of our government, provide a strong social safety net, and rank up near the top of the list in quality of life, quality of opportunity, best placed to do business, etc. And we have single payer healthcare AND strictly enforced financial regulations that helped us avoid the worst of your financial calamities. Americans absolutely gag at the total tax burden on canadians (tax freedom day is mid june)but to the majority of us, it simply is what it is.
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You are still infintessimally small, have many times the natural resources per capita than virtually any nation in the world and are still straining on the healthcare funding. Grow some and we'll take a look at how your system handles the strain of significantly greater use.
 
clownboy said:
You are still infintessimally small, have many times the natural resources per capita than virtually any nation in the world and are still straining on the healthcare funding. Grow some and we'll take a look at how your system handles the strain of significantly greater use.
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They use fewer resources per capita on health care than we do.

In fact, Canadians spend fewer tax dollars per capita than we do on healthcare. Think about that. Not only do you pay more in taxes for health care than a Canadian does, you have to get private insurance on top of it!

People trying to make cost arguments against UHC are hilarious.
 
Misterveritis said:
Let's see. Money laundering or right to vote...This is NOT about campaign finance reform. I believe anybody ought to be able to contribute any amount. This is about what comes after...and before. Campaign bundlers created green companies that were given billions of dollars. Some, many, are already broke. But the bundlers are not millionaires and the Bamster got his contributions. That is wrong.
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You'd have to prove that money laundering did, in fact, occur based on bundled campaign contributions to Obama's presidential campaign. Without proof, all you have is speculation and wild accusations. I'd suggest you start another thread on the matter, present your evidence or at the very least plead your case there. Otherwise, let's not try to deflect and hijack the thread.
 
Deuce said:
They use fewer resources per capita on health care than we do.

In fact, Canadians spend fewer tax dollars per capita than we do on healthcare. Think about that. Not only do you pay more in taxes for health care than a Canadian does, you have to get private insurance on top of it!

People trying to make cost arguments against UHC are hilarious.
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And we insure many more times the people they do.
 
clownboy said:
You are still infintessimally small, have many times the natural resources per capita than virtually any nation in the world and are still straining on the healthcare funding. Grow some and we'll take a look at how your system handles the strain of significantly greater use.
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Yep got really lucky to be located were we are. As for straining on healthcare funding, that's very true and has been since the inception of medicare in the 60's. Its a constant tension but it also tends to rein in spiraling costs and sparks creative solutions. Our per capita spending on health care is 35 to 40% less than in the US. Comparison of overall outcomes is favorable, except at the very high end where nobody can come close to the US. (cheney is living proof of that). Of course for the lower income brackets canada's system is quite a bit better, since all our citizens are covered.

Our system is inherently scalable. That's the beauty of a single payer system. The billing and payment admin is standardized and efficient. It can grow without too many problems.
 
I support Obama's statements on this. Everyone should be offered the opportunity to achieve and earn success and it is not entitled to anyone.
 
clownboy said:
And we insure many more times the people they do.
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which should bring the costs down. You do know how insurance works don't you? its a form of redistribution.
 
Henrin said:
I never really could figure out what people mean by relate to the people, but to me democrats have no business saying such things when they policies are in many ways responsible for the divisions in this country be them between the classes or between the young and the old.
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I suppose any political party can say whatever it wants, Henrin, and the less sophisticated members of society sincerely seem to believe that the government can give them free Obamaphones, that the government can 'redistribute' the wealth, give them free food, free medical, free gas for their cars. free mortgages and that the government can create a 'just' society. They don't really think these things through.

This is another example of Obama supporters.

UW Madison Students: 'Unfair' That Obama Couldn't Use Teleprompter in Debate
I know they don't want to hear it but what they believe in is in many ways morally corrupt.
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Yes. of course. They want the government doing what friends, family and neighbors should be doing. But since the government began destroying the family and have tried to turn race against race, rich against poor, and even women against men, society has become fragmented and dependent on government for its needs. But of course government cannot continue to supply those needs, as we have seen elsewhere. Trillions of dollars in debt and still promises are being made to an evermore dysfunctional culture.

It's not pretty, Henrin.

You summed it up nicely.
 
Mya said:
Well, the President should pick up his words more carefully then
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I read the whole quote, and I didn't see anything wrong with what he said or how he worded it... :shrug:
 
SheWolf said:
I read the whole quote, and I didn't see anything wrong with what he said or how he worded it... :shrug:
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we are all entitled ... entitled? :lamo no pun intended... to our ideas , aren't we :peace
 
Hatuey said:
No. You claim Romney saved Staples. Now provide the evidence he did. Not just bland claims. Show us how. What he did etc.
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Oh, settle down and quit being silly!

Look at the speech from the founder of Staples and you'll learn a great deal more than what you do right now.
 
Pinkie said:
joko104 said:
Well, as I have said, I watched this go on. The object was to make money, and the targets were only sometimes "companies on the verge of bankruptcy". Most were better characterized as having riches that had not been plundered, such as employee pension plans.
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You've watched it go on, huh?

The object of everyone's labors is to make money.
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Jonsa said:
Discretion prevented me from articulating the third alternative of my conflict. good thing since it is the appropriate one.
Thank you. I knew you'd resolve my conflict.
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Wanted to respond to this before I exit this thread/forum.

If you think I'm a fool, you are wrong. I have an "off the charts" IQ - my "crude" remarks in this thread were done on purpose, as I simply give back what's put out there....

I'm done with this thread, but feel free to start a new thread in the philosophy forum or something - along the lines of "What factors determine intelligence/wisdom?" I'll be happy to debate you there, if/when I feel like it.

However, if you prefer to debate no longer and claim that your, uh "conflict" is settled, I will understand (as my own conflict will perhaps be resolved).

Out for now.
 
Pinkie said:
Whatever he may have done was to make a profit, which is not the goal of government, thank God.
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If that is the goal of government then they were hugely successful with Solynda.
 
Nightrider said:
Wanted to respond to this before I exit this thread/forum.

If you think I'm a fool, you are wrong. I have an "off the charts" IQ - my "crude" remarks in this thread were done on purpose, as I simply give back what's put out there....

I'm done with this thread, but feel free to start a new thread in the philosophy forum or something - along the lines of "What factors determine intelligence/wisdom?" I'll be happy to debate you there, if/when I feel like it.

However, if you prefer to debate no longer and claim that your, uh "conflict" is settled, I will understand (as my own conflict will perhaps be resolved).

Out for now.
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I don't think you are a fool.

As for "off the charts" you have yet to demonstrate anything even remotely close. If you are as gifted as you say you are, then I shall look forward to perhaps debating/discussing any number of issues and topics as I have rather broad and eclectic interests, business and life experience.

Af for explaining your "crudity" as purposeful, okay, but how could you expect me to know that. You don't use a little genius icon to let anyone know.

BTW, You do crudity surprisingly well, but you need to work on your condescension and as for your sarcasm, it might be helpful to find a class you can attend.
 
Jonsa said:
I don't think you are a fool.

As for "off the charts" you have yet to demonstrate anything even remotely close. If you are as gifted as you say you are, then I shall look forward to perhaps debating/discussing any number of issues and topics as I have rather broad and eclectic interests, business and life experience.

Af for explaining your "crudity" as purposeful, okay, but how could you expect me to know that. You don't use a little genius icon to let anyone know.

BTW, You do crudity surprisingly well, but you need to work on your condescension and as for your sarcasm, it might be helpful to find a class you can attend.
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I respect what you are saying....

I don't think you're a fool either - I just think we have fundamental differences of opinion, probably because of different life experience/talents/gifts.

People who possess different opinions than mine are perhaps more fun to debate with, as we can all learn something (provided that we debate the actual issues, not attack each other)...

As far as sarcasm, it got late last night and I was sleep deprived.... You're an interesting poster - If I got too personal last night, I apologize.
 
Nightrider said:
I respect what you are saying....

I don't think you're a fool either - I just think we have fundamental differences of opinion, probably because of different life experience/talents/gifts.

People who possess different opinions that mine are perhaps more fun to debate with, as we can all learn something (provided that we debate the actual issues, not attack each other)...

As far as sarcasm, it got late last night and I was sleep deprived.... You're an interesting poster - If I got too personal last night, I apologize.
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I look forward to interesting conversations. No worries.
 
Jonsa said:
Yep got really lucky to be located were we are. As for straining on healthcare funding, that's very true and has been since the inception of medicare in the 60's. Its a constant tension but it also tends to rein in spiraling costs and sparks creative solutions. Our per capita spending on health care is 35 to 40% less than in the US. Comparison of overall outcomes is favorable, except at the very high end where nobody can come close to the US. (cheney is living proof of that). Of course for the lower income brackets canada's system is quite a bit better, since all our citizens are covered.

Our system is inherently scalable. That's the beauty of a single payer system. The billing and payment admin is standardized and efficient. It can grow without too many problems.
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Fair enough, and FWIW your system isn't bad in my book. However, what's your actual paid participation rate? What percentage of your population isn't paying taxes that support that system? You see, when the system grows to a point where only a small percentage of the whole actually pay enough into it for it to operate effectively, things start to break down. Costs remain high.

That should answer your post below as well. The insured don't just pay for themselves, but the uninsured as well.

Jonsa said:
which should bring the costs down. You do know how insurance works don't you? its a form of redistribution.
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Mya said:
ummm.... I don't know .... why can't he talk clearer? we should not be having trouble here interpreting his meaning.
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I'm afraid it's the "ears' that you are hearing them through that confuses you. You cited a statement that even a right winger would not argue with.
I beleive "entitlements " are what the right calls the paid for insurance policies of SS and Medicare. And we know how you feel about them.
 
Connery said:
When you provide me with the entire quotes and context then I will be happy to look, as it is my quota for doing research on snippets has been met in this thread. I have said many times my vote is still up in the air. I am waiting for one of these guys to claim it. Neither Romney nor Obama have done a good job yet.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I offered my opinion; you ask for substance supporting my opinion and I gave it to you.

You've heard what you've heard and I've heard what I've heared.
 
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