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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    But, of course, Ryan makes a comment about conception and suddenly he condones rape (actually, apparently all us conservatives do that). Rick Perry uses the phrase "black cloud" and it's racism. Newt says "food stamp president" and it's racism. Herman ****ing Caine makes a joke playing on his name, saying that the best way to beat Obama is with a Caine, and, of course, it's racism. It'd be nice if people were equally concerned about "context" in those instances. /shrug
    And yet again X factor, much as I like you I am ****ing sick of you throwing everyone elses **** at my feet and saying

    "Hey Jet, what about what these guys did!"

    I wasn't one of those people that took their words out of context so why the hell do I have to worry about the people who did?

    After all I believe I made it pretty clear:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And by the way it's wrong no matter who does it.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The problem with the first is that you have to actually show that he doesn't have contempt for the rich and that is a tall order with nothing really to use for ingredients. This is one of the problems liberals and democrats have in general. They generally treat the rich like the enemy of the state and whatever they do is not good enough. If they don't hire enough people then they are being greedy. If they move their plant then they are out to hurt people. If they have to cut wages to avoid going under they want everyone to work for two dollars a day. I could list examples all day long but the point is this behavior only says one thing, I hate the successful. The impression that successful are left with is that they are the enemy and that their property and their lives are nothing more than the property of the state and all they did to get it is meaningless. When they are paying more taxes than everyone else by large margin and it never seems to be enough and the liberals are always trying to figure out how to put in place a higher rate or a new tax here or there that only affects the successful the impression is only worsened. Worse yet, is that over the years the definition of successful has been getting looser and looser and more and more people are falling under it. In the days that liberals like to look back and smile at the group they used for their interests was much smaller, but these days people that are making just over 100 thousand feel like victims to their policies and to their hate which was not the case all those years ago. This is not easy for liberals or Obama to fight back on after decades on decades of building it up and at this point I don't think you can say they have done a wonderful job at not giving off the impression that they do NOT like the successful. I think if you are really here to fight back on that you will have an impossible task in front of you.

    As for the second, he is a planned economy socialist.
    Terrific post, Henrin.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    For a President to say that nobody is is entitled to success in the USA?

    That's plain wrong.
    A rightist who doesn't know the difference between 'entitlement' and 'opportunity'. Who'da thunk?
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I think it's the difference between the list of ingredients on a jar of peanut butter and the Madison Avenue ad for a brand of peanut butter. Both tell you things you may want to know about the manufacturer, etc. but to answer a question such as you are asking takes research.

    Elections are about emotions, Mycroft. Not for you, obviously -- this is not how you vote. But I assure you, if Romney can get one good catchphrase embedded in people's minds and Obama makes a single gaffe (between now and the election), Obama can lose. It's herd behavior, and cannot be understood on a purely rational level.
    I think you are going off on tangents.

    Now, I'm not disputing anything you've said above, I just don't think it applies here. This isn't about how I'll vote...or even about how anyone else will vote. It's about what Obama means with his statement.

    Look, when Romney says he'll reduce tax rates, the first thing he's asked is how is he going to do it, what does he mean, is it possible. Nobody considers his words to be "puffery". They want to know what he's talking about.

    Well...same here. I just want to know what Obama is talking about.

    I'm also beginning to wonder why nobody else wants to know what he's talking about.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    A rightist who doesn't know the difference between 'entitlement' and 'opportunity'. Who'da thunk?
    What if someone had already earned success? They entitled to it then?

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What if someone had already earned success? They entitled to it then?
    Depends how they earned it.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Depends how they earned it.
    Let's presume honestly and legally.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And yet again X factor, much as I like you I am ****ing sick of you throwing everyone elses **** at my feet and saying

    "Hey Jet, what about what these guys did!"

    I wasn't one of those people that took their words out of context so why the hell do I have to worry about the people who did?

    After all I believe I made it pretty clear:
    Ya seem worried about it in this thread.

    I'm sorry, Jet. Your point is a fair one. Here's the thing though, there are things that Obama has stated in context that make it extremely plausible that he really does believe it when he makes comments like "you didn't build that" . Even in that very speech, he's somewhat snarky about sucessful people who believe they're smart and worked hard (remember? He's actually "struck" by people who believe that). You say the problem is not his, but he has definitely perpetuated this, at least, appearance of snideness toward success. How many times has he suggested that the rich is not paying it's "fair share" or that doctors amputate limbs just for the money. Didn't a video just come out where he blasts people who move to the suburbs? (in all fairness I've only heard small clips). At some point, we should be able to assume he means what he's saying.
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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    I agree with Obama's words... I wasn't entitled to success, I just took the opportunity to become successful.. ( i'm not so sure we are entitled to opportunity though...not with the government's latest habits of providing opportunity for some and making opportunity much harder for others)

    I don't really pay much attention to Democrats speaking about success...if you are poor, they want you to be more successful... if you are middle class, they revere and celebrate you... if you are successful, you are just a revenue source who is probably greedy, didn't earn your success ethically, and should probably feel guilty about your success and give your money to the government as penance.

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    Re: Obama: 'We Don't Believe Anybody Is Entitled to Success in This Country' [W:108]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I'd give him a C as President. Maybe a D-.

    But see, I think I'd be giving Romney an F PDQ, so I don't have a better option.
    You might be pleasantly surprised with Romney, given his success in several areas, but you will not be surprised with the performance of Barack Obama. It will not be just more of the save but there is every indication he will be worse. Please recall his remarks in this article and look to see who is the power player in the photo.

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