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    Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US Embassy in Libya - ABC News

    ABC News has obtained an internal State Department email from May 3, 2012, indicating that the State Department denied a request from the security team at the Embassy of Libya to retain a DC-3 airplane in the country to better conduct their duties.

    Copied on the email was U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed in a terrorist attack on the diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, Sept. 11, 2012, along with three other Americans. That attack has prompted questions about whether the diplomatic personnel in that country were provided with adequate security support.
    Obama lied. People died.

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    I hope Romney doesn't bring this up, he should steer clear. Too many ways mentioning this could blowback. However, it adds to my thought that in the next debate he should say, "Regarding the President's foreign policy experience, one word - Libya".

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    I think there are two different stories here. The best I can gather, the military was ready to add security in August but the State Department waved them off but when the attack was beginning the military was asked to provide security then but the military was not in a position to offer it in time.

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Obama lied. People died.
    How would a private civilian airplane that rolled off the assembly line 60 years ago have saved people's lives?

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    What, you think they were gonna park the DC-3 in front of the gate to block RPG fire? Did you even ****in read that article?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    abc, jake tapper:

    No one has yet to argue that the DC-3 would have definitively made a difference for the four Americans killed that night. The security team in question, after all, left Libya in August.

    But the question – both for the State Department, which is conducting an internal investigation, and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is holding hearings next week – is whether officials in Washington, D.C., specifically at the State Department, were as aware as they should have been about the deteriorating security situation in Libya, and whether officials were doing everything they could to protect Americans in that country.

    Earlier this week, the chair of the House Oversight Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and another member of the committee wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton listing 13 incidents leading up to the attack, ranging from IED and RPG attacks to a “posting on a pro-Gaddafi Facebook page” publicizing early morning runs taken by the late Ambassador Stevens and his security detail around Tripoli.

    “Was State Department headquarters in Washington aware of all the above incidents?” they asked Secretary Clinton, requesting written responses by Oct. 8. “If not, why not? If so, what measures did the State Department take to match the level of security provided to the U.S. Mission in Libya to the level of threat?”

    The subject line of the email, from Miki Rankin, the post management officer for Libya and Saudi Arabia, reads “Termination of Tripoli DC-3 Support.”

    Rankin informs Stevens and the others on the email, whose names have been redacted, that Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy “has determined that support for Embassy Tripoli using the DC-3 will be terminated immediately. Post’s request to continue use of the plane in support of the SST was considered. However, it was decided that, if needed, NEA will charter a special flight for their departure.”
    denied, abc explains, was an sst, security support team, "about 16 special forces troops assigned to protect officials from the state dept"

    house oversight: it's consistent with what we've already uncovered, the consulate made repeated requests for more security and was turned down

    security transportation had been one of those requests, issa's folks continue (per tapper)

    foggy bottom "played down the importance of the denied request," explaining the dc3 was returned to iraq when commercial airline service returned to libya

    the purpose of the smallish plane, according to abc, was to allow security "to more freely and safely move throughout the country, and to more easily transport arms and other security equipment"

    "once commercial air service was re-established, the state dept decided that the sst didn’t need the plane anymore"

    "the security team, it would seem, disagreed"

    house oversight: “the state department’s naive determination to follow rigid bureaucratic policies, instead of making common sense decisions that took the serious threat of terrorism conveyed by those on the ground into account, appears to have been a significant factor in the benghazi consulate’s lack of preparedness”

    issa holds hearings on the 10th

    why did cnn's erin burnett use the word "coverup?"

    CNN: W.H. Leaves Out Key Information On Libya Attack | RealClearPolitics

    and why did the security team, "after all," leave in august?

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    Denied was the plane. Not the team. Read more carefully, dude.

    So why don't you tell us how that plane would have saved lives at the consulate? Hint: Planes get parked at airports, generally speaking.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    CBS News has learned that congressional investigators have issued a subpoena to a former top security official at the US mission in Libya. The official is Lt. Col. Andy Wood, a Utah National Guard Army Green Beret who headed up a Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya.

    The subpoena compels Lt. Col. Wood to appear at a House Oversight Committee hearing next week that will examine security decisions leading up to the Sept. 11 Muslim extremist terror assault on the U.S. compound at Benghazi.

    Lt. Col. Wood has told CBS News and congressional investigators that his 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force called a Mobile Security Deployment team left Libya in August, just one month before the Benghazi assault. Wood says that's despite the fact that US officials in Libya wanted security increased, not decreased.

    Wood says he met daily with Stevens and that security was a constant challenge. There were 13 threats or attacks on western diplomats and officials in Libya in the six months leading up to the September 11 attack.

    Wood, whose team arrived in February, says he and fellow security officials were very worried about the chaos on the ground. He says they tried to communicate the danger to State Department officials in Washington, D.C., but that the officials denied requests to enhance security.

    "We tried to illustrate...to show them how dangerous and how volatile and just unpredictable that whole environment was over there. So to decrease security in the face of that really is... it's just unbelievable," Wood said.

    Sources critical of what they view as a security drawdown say three Mobile Security Deployment teams left Libya between February and August in addition to the 16-member Site Security Team on loan from the military. That's 34 highly-trained security personnel moved out over a six month period.

    One State Department source told CBS News the security teams weren't "pulled," that their mission was simply over.
    Congress to probe security flaws for Libya diplomats - CBS News

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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    Alittle perspective here...

    First off, the request was made and denied in May, 2012 - four months before the 9/11/12 Benghazi attack.

    Second, the SST left Lybia in August, 2012.

    Third, the DC-3 is a commercial aircraft that's over 60 years old, used more commonly by the State Department and other U.S. entities as a personnel transport plane. In this case per the ABCNews article, it would have been used as a means of last resort to escape an area in case of hostilities when no other commercial aircraft were available.

    Fourth, again per the ABCNews article, other arrangements were made to transport security personnel out of Lybia through the NEA, if necessary.

    Now, I can understand bringing this issue up to make a larger argument - that the State Dept. didn't view security matters in Lybia as deteriorating or critical. So, they likely didn't take things as seriously as they should have, but as the news article makes clear, you'd have to show that others outside the State Depart. - possibly clear up to the President himself - were aware of the State Depart's actions where lapses in security are concerned. Clearly, somebody dropped the ball, but I don't see incompetence or irresponsibility in this email alone especially considering that the SST left the month prior to the terror attack. Folks can try to make the claim that the State Dept. knew of the possibility of the attacks occurring in advance, but let's not forget that those "warnings" didn't officially come until up to 72 hours beforehand. Thus, there's no evidence that anyone knew concretely of imminent danger to the Lybian Embassy at the time that the request for the DC-3 was denied.
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    Re: Breaking: Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US E

    I don't see incompetence or irresponsibility in this email alone
    why would anyone look at this email alone?

    the DC-3 is a commercial aircraft that's over 60 years old, used more commonly by the State Department and other U.S. entities as a personnel transport plane
    tapper:

    "the us government official who provided the email to abc described the small dc3 plane as an asset for a security team to more freely and safely move throughout the country, and to more easily transport arms and other security equipment"

    "in short, having the plane allowed the security team to better perform its duties, the official said"

    they likely didn't take things as seriously as they should have
    ya think?

    13 separate acts of provocation, several pretty extreme?

    White House secret meetings examine al-Qaeda threat in North Africa - The Washington Post

    The White House has held a series of secret meetings in recent months to examine the threat posed by al-Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and consider for the first time whether to prepare for unilateral strikes, U.S. officials said.

    The deliberations reflect concern that al-Qaeda’s African affiliate has become more dangerous since gaining control of large pockets of territory in Mali and acquiring weapons from post-revolution Libya. The discussions predate the Sept. 11 attacks on U.S. compounds in Libya but gained urgency after the assaults there were linked to al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, or AQIM.
    they chose "wait and see" instead

    even on 9-11

    Report: Christopher Stevens feared Al Qaeda hit - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com

    Sensitive documents left behind at U.S. diplomatic post in Libya - The Washington Post

    The security presence appears to have been bare-bones, with three or more armed militia members on the compound any time the “principal officer” was present — either the head of the mission or the ambassador. A somewhat larger group of unarmed contractors was also hired to guard the site but was not mentioned in the memorandum with the militia.

    When the principal officer was not present, a single militia member was instructed to be at the front gate between 8 a.m. and midnight. Between midnight and 8 a.m., one militia member was scheduled to be on roving patrol. The militia members were supposed to work a minimum of eight hours a day and were to be paid a stipend of about $28 a day, a relatively standard wage.
    the white house knew, the white house buried its head, the white house deceived, the white house ignored repeated warnings and requests for protection and left its people defenseless

    on 9-11

    taking things seriously:

    Intel officials see North Africa terror 'cover-up' | Times 247

    Intelligence held back from senior officials and the public includes numerous classified reports revealing clear Iranian support for jihadists throughout the tumultuous North Africa and Middle East region, as well as notably widespread al Qaeda penetration into Egypt and Libya in the months before the deadly Sept 11 terrorist attack on the US consulate in Benghazi.

    Officials with access to intelligence reports, based on both technical spying and human agents, said specific reporting revealed an alarming surge in clandestine al Qaeda activity months before the attack in Benghazi.
    Clearly, somebody dropped the ball
    the white house blames intel

    Rice on Benghazi: Blame the intelligence community | The Cable

    the eyes and ears say "cover up"

    http://times247.com/articles/intel-o...error-cover-up

    they, by the way, according to nyt, are complaining they just got "their eyes poked out," regionally speaking

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/wo...pagewanted=all

    there's no evidence that anyone knew concretely of imminent danger to the Lybian Embassy at the time that the request for the DC-3 was denied
    ask lieutenant colonel wood

    Lt. Col. Wood has told CBS News and congressional investigators that his 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force called a Mobile Security Deployment team left Libya in August, just one month before the Benghazi assault. Wood says that's despite the fact that US officials in Libya wanted security increased, not decreased.

    Wood says he met daily with Stevens and that security was a constant challenge. There were 13 threats or attacks on western diplomats and officials in Libya in the six months leading up to the September 11 attack.

    Wood, whose team arrived in February, says he and fellow security officials were very worried about the chaos on the ground. He says they tried to communicate the danger to State Department officials in Washington, D.C., but that the officials denied requests to enhance security.

    "We tried to illustrate...to show them how dangerous and how volatile and just unpredictable that whole environment was over there. So to decrease security in the face of that really is... it's just unbelievable," Wood said.

    Sources critical of what they view as a security drawdown say three Mobile Security Deployment teams left Libya between February and August in addition to the 16-member Site Security Team on loan from the military. That's 34 highly-trained security personnel moved out over a six month period.
    Congress to probe security flaws for Libya diplomats - CBS News

    equally unexplainable is the administration's completely incredible assertion that benghazi arose spontaneously months after a movie trailer hit the web in la
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